Re: [sidr] WGLC draft-sidr-rpki-rtr - take 2?

2011-06-04 Thread Randy Bush
> Yes, servers will support AO, if for no other reason than they support > BGP and MD5 now. the problem is that they don't really. check out, for example, the freebsd md5 hack. it is send-only, does not check on receive. i am told there are similar messes elsewhere. basically this is a mess.

Re: [sidr] WGLC draft-sidr-rpki-rtr - take 2?

2011-06-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Joe Touch wrote: > So basically the problem is that: > > - routers don't all support IPsec for the control plane > > - servers don't yet implement AO routers don't yet support AO either :( at least not in juniper 10.x code nor cisco 12.2(S) or 15 code... (or not t

Re: [sidr] WGLC draft-sidr-rpki-rtr - take 2?

2011-06-04 Thread Joe Touch
So basically the problem is that: - routers don't all support IPsec for the control plane - servers don't yet implement AO I repeat that there's a known solution that is already being used for BGP: Use AO if available Use MD5 in the meantime Yes, servers will support AO, if for no other reaso

Re: [sidr] WGLC draft-sidr-rpki-rtr - take 2?

2011-06-04 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Uma Chunduri wrote: > exactly how is MD5 the weakest link here? some particular words about the > threat model + ability to subvert a running session which ships a few > megabytes/minute around would be in order here. > > [Uma] > > 1. Wang, X., H. Yu, "How to break

Re: [sidr] WGLC draft-sidr-rpki-rtr - take 2?

2011-06-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Trying to catch up with you all here. >From reading the mail thread it seems to me that: - tcp-md5 is available but undesirable - tcp-ao is desirable but unavailable so far - ssh is available and slightly undesirable for performance reasons but desirable in security terms That woul