Re: [sidr] The need for SIDR - Google limited outage today due to bogus route announcement

2012-11-10 Thread Russ White
> route leaks, as we anecdotally know them, are an operational problem. > imiho, they are not particularly a security problem. but that does not > mean i think the ietf routing community should not be working on a > solution, quite the opposite. You're walking through the office and see someone

Re: [sidr] The need for SIDR - Google limited outage today due to bogus route announcement

2012-11-10 Thread Russ White
> as has been said many times, we agree route leaks are a problem. they > are not the only problem. > > please do not send me any more email without a proposed solution. Generally speaking, the best path to good engineering is to define the problem first, then suggest solutions. I understand th

Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting

2012-11-10 Thread John Leslie
Brian Dickson wrote: >... Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:42:15 -0500 > > If a draft is accepted in its current state, then any promises by the > authors to make changes are much like promises by politicians during > election campaigns - not worth the paper they are written on. While technically tr

[sidr] Meetecho session recording

2012-11-10 Thread Meetecho IETF support
Dear all, the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room) of this WG session at IETF-85 is available. You can watch it by accessing the following URL: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf85/recordings For the chair(s): please feel free to put the link to the recording in the min

Re: [sidr] WG acceptance call for draft-ymbk-rpki-grandparenting

2012-11-10 Thread SM
Hi Brian, At 08:42 09-11-2012, Brian Dickson wrote: An adoption call should have three (or four) responses: Ready for Adoption Needs more work BEFORE Adoption Should not (never) be adopted Abstain/don't care The "needs more work" is the way that WG participants can hold authors/editors account

Re: [sidr] The need for SIDR - Google limited outage today due to bogus route announcement

2012-11-10 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:16 PM, Russ White wrote: > > 2. Providers have said (on this list and otherwise) that they are not > willing to release _any_ policy in _any_ way, _ever_ into the hands of > _anyone_ (even, "this peer is not a transit AS"). Actually, some subset of providers allegedly said t