Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-29 Thread Stephen Kent
At 10:49 AM -0500 11/29/11, Danny McPherson wrote: On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: I think this last bit gets at danny's concern (after the 'but every asn in the path has to agree that the root is wrong' bit)... lots more complexity here is not helpful :( Yes. -dan

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-29 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > I think this last bit gets at danny's concern (after the 'but every > asn in the path has to agree that the root is wrong' bit)... lots more > complexity here is not helpful :( Yes. -danny ___

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Stephen Kent wrote: > There are controls to allow RPs to ignore the expiration of the certs for > the widget maker, but that's not the best outcome. Ultimately the widget > maker > would like to have a new CA cert issued to it, and continue to manage the' > corres

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-29 Thread Stephen Kent
At 7:53 PM -0500 11/28/11, Christopher Morrow wrote: ... I think danny's example (as explained off-line in taipei) was something like: o 3 cooperating ASNs (say: 701, 7018, 2914) o one customer on either side of the 3 ASNs (a-widget-maker && a-widget-user/customer) o All have RPKI + BGPSE

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Stephen Kent wrote: > At 10:09 PM -0500 11/21/11, Danny McPherson wrote: >> >> ... >>  > I don't understand all of the words above. >> >> Apologies for the loose terminology here..  Try this.. >> >> AS1 --- ISP1 (AS2) --- ISP2 (AS3) --- AS4 >> >> In the case of LTA

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-28 Thread Stephen Kent
At 10:09 PM -0500 11/21/11, Danny McPherson wrote: ... > I don't understand all of the words above. Apologies for the loose terminology here.. Try this.. AS1 --- ISP1 (AS2) --- ISP2 (AS3) --- AS4 In the case of LTA if these four parties wish to transact their constraints files (or shared "

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-21 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:50 AM, Stephen Kent wrote: > >> Here's my primary question. If I wanted to form a 'federation' of sorts for >> resiliency would I have to use additional TALs in conjunction with my >> LTA and paracertificate hierarchy? If so, can an RP include some sort of >> filter to con

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-15 Thread Stephen Kent
Danny, Rob/Steve, et al., Relative to the SIDR Origin Ops draft and local trust anchor (LTA) configuration, I'm trying to understand how one would actualize trust anchor locators (TALs) and LTAs in a deployment scenario and was hoping you could help me here. A TAL points to a self-signed RPKI

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Danny McPherson wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> On top of that if the resource is then re-certified (to the same or >> different end entity) how do the intermediate parties know which is >> the 'right' thing to do? > > Agree

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-14 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 14, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On top of that if the resource is then re-certified (to the same or > different end entity) how do the intermediate parties know which is > the 'right' thing to do? Agreed.. It's critical to highlight that LTA doesn't fix anything here u

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Danny McPherson wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Rob Austein wrote: > >> Layers 8+ are mostly out of scope for this list, so let me just say >> that I am really hoping that IANA and the RIRs will get their >> collective act together and issue a single TA bef

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-14 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Rob Austein wrote: > Danny, > > For purposes of this discussion, a LTA is semantically equivalent to a > collection of TAs plus a constraint list. Since LTAs are also a more > general mechanism (they can be shared by a group of like-minded folks > more easily than a

Re: [sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-14 Thread Rob Austein
Danny, For purposes of this discussion, a LTA is semantically equivalent to a collection of TAs plus a constraint list. Since LTAs are also a more general mechanism (they can be shared by a group of like-minded folks more easily than a constraint list -- just create a TAL pointing at the LTA) and

[sidr] Origin Ops, TALs and Local TAs

2011-11-14 Thread Danny McPherson
Rob/Steve, et al., Relative to the SIDR Origin Ops draft and local trust anchor (LTA) configuration, I'm trying to understand how one would actualize trust anchor locators (TALs) and LTAs in a deployment scenario and was hoping you could help me here. I think it's probably safe to assume ever