[sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-04 Thread Masato Yamanishi
Dear SIG members The Problem statement "Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB" has been assigned a Policy Proposal number following the submission of a new version sent to the Policy SIG for consideration. The proposal, "prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment inf

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-23 Thread Masato Yamanishi
Dear Colleagues, And, here is prop-115. No comment has not been made for this proposal. If reached consensus, it may needs significant change for whois database. I just reviewed implementation impact assessment by the Secretariat, and it says it might take more than 6 months. I think same thing w

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Owen DeLong
I don’t believe the proposal offers enough benefit to be worth what implementation would likely cost. First, I am sincerely hoping that CGN is an extremely temporary situation. I’m not sure it should be worth the effort to recode the registry to support it. Second, I’m wondering if there’s any

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
Yeah I think this is a bit of a radical proposal to accept at present. I'm not convinced we should be supporting CGN in this way, nor am I a fan of seeing more and more information make it into Whois which might not be the best place. I would like to hear more from Hiromi-san about the problem sta

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Masato Yamanishi
Dean, I totally agree that we should focus on the problem statement itself in Fukuoka since this problem statement has something new concept for Policy SIG and Fukuoka will be first meeting. However, I don't think this proposal needs to be withdrawn to focus on the problem statement in Fukuoka.

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
I look forward to hearing more from the author. At present I do not support this proposal. On Wednesday, 25 February 2015, Masato Yamanishi wrote: > Dean, > > I totally agree that we should focus on the problem statement itself in > Fukuoka > since this problem statement has something new conce

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-28 Thread Dean Pemberton
I am currently neither in favour or opposed to this proposal, but I would like to ask for a point of clarification... Is the author suggesting that new fields in the whois be added to allow this funtionality? It would seem that this is something which operators could choose to implement today usi

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-28 Thread Tomohiro -INSTALLER- Fujisaki/藤崎 智宏
Hi Dean, Hiromi-san will reply soon, but as you wrote, we think using 'remarks' field will be one option to achieve our goals. Yours Sincerely, -- Tomohiro Fujisaki From: Dean Pemberton Subject: Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment info

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-01 Thread Ajay Kumar
Personally,I don't see any benefit,which community may be getting after accepting this proposal. I don't support this proposal. Regards, Ajai Kumar On 24 February 2015 at 22:41, Owen DeLong wrote: > I don’t believe the proposal offers enough benefit to be worth what > implementation would likely

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-02 Thread David Woodgate
I do not support this proposal, on the basis that it seems its intent is to extend the scope of the APNIC whois database well beyond its traditional scope. I believe the purpose of the APNIC database is to assert the authorisation of an assignee to use specified IP addresses, for purposes s

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-02 Thread Ruri Hiromi
Hello Owen and list, Thanks for your interest to our proposal. I don't cost much for implementing in execution of the proposal such making additional filed or other. But some operators actually see the whois DB and IRR DB to confirm the attack vector with its IP address. When set filter by IP ad

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-02 Thread Ruri Hiromi
Hello again, I think to operators set filters by IP address when they get assumed attack from outside of their network. At this point, IP address range is very important. Isn't this common thing Please advise me if I fall into a corner case. Regards, On 2015/03/01 21:30, Ajay Kumar wrote: >

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-02 Thread Ruri Hiromi
Hello David, Yes, it is what I want to the list. I wanted to know about this question, is this proposal beyond the scope of using whois db? But if it is so, I want to have opinions where is the best place to discuss and what we can choose for universal common information resource to check? Regard

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-02 Thread Ruri Hiromi
Hi Dean and list, I don't want to add more implementation to the whois DB. Currently I thought remarks field as you mentioned. But at this case, to using remarks field for detailed information, guidelines and help message/warning/alert would be changed. To inform this among member Registries(and

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
I simply don’t see this as at all likely to have the desired effect. When ISPs put an abuse block in, it’s a very high-overhead thing to do. Generally, in order to maximize the probability that the problem will get resolved at the source, while minimizing the odds of having to play whack-a-mole,