Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Dylan Jay
On 16/05/2011, at 1:45 PM, Geoff Langdale wrote: Another problem with the 'non-technical founder' is that sometimes the business may 'pivot' (cringe) away from the domain - or the part of it Just going to put it out there but my experience has been that a pivot is much more likely to be succ

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Geoff Langdale
On May 16, 11:56 am, Trindaz wrote: > Just go and talk to some dentists. You don't need an entire person for > that. You're founding a company here, not doing a uni project. This will almost certainly fail, if your domain is suitably dentistry- intensive. "Talk to some dentists" doesn't work beca

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Matthew Ho
There are some good discussion threads about this on Hacker News and on Bothsidesofthetable blog. I've copied & pasted some of the relevant parts. 1. Both Sides of The Table Making Things Happen http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2009/11/19/what-makes-an-entrepreneur-four-lettersjfdi/ I said tha

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Trindaz
I agree. (I feel like I've just been handled my a master of diplomacy, but never the less I agree). On May 15, 7:04 pm, Daniel Purchas wrote: > No one is saying you're off the mark, just outlining that there are > advantages to both configurations, you have outlined that you think tech > guys who

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Daniel Purchas
No one is saying you're off the mark, just outlining that there are advantages to both configurations, you have outlined that you think tech guys who don't get involved in 'business' stuff shouldn't be founders which is where people are putting up counter statements I think this comes down to sema

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Trindaz
Just go and talk to some dentists. You don't need an entire person for that. You're founding a company here, not doing a uni project. Companies founded by tech-only founders that address non-technical markets: Facebook (from original list!), HP (from original list! Their first product was an audio

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Dylan Jay
On 16/05/2011, at 11:41 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: And they have one thing in common: they target a technical market, so you already have the domain knowledge. If you wanted to offer a product for, say, dentists, you'd do well with a co-founder that knows many dentists and brings a willing

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
And they have one thing in common: they target a technical market, so you already have the domain knowledge. If you wanted to offer a product for, say, dentists, you'd do well with a co-founder that knows many dentists and brings a willing trial partner. Silvia. Sent from my iPhone On 16/05/2

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Trindaz
Daniel, I only need one example of a successful tech company with all tech founders to prove that the paradigm of "You gotta have a tech founder and a business founder" doesn't describe reality. 5 is generous. In startups that survive it only happens some of the time that 'business' tasks go exclu

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Daniel Purchas
Trindaz, this isn't a one size fits all sort of thing here is it? bringing up 5 companies doesn't set an absolute precedent? I'm sure there are many other companies out there that are of similar stature that aren't all pure tech founder driven I'm a non-technical co-founder, I can understand tech

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Trindaz
Microsoft, HP, Facebook, Sun, Atlassian didn't need domain knowledge or networking with the 'right' people? They were founded by technical founders who didn't refuse to think outside the coding-only box. Networking and learning in a new domain are just more skills founders need and are learnable,

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Jeromy Evans
On May 16, 8:30 am, Trindaz wrote: > Technical founders don't need non-technical cofounders. Believing > otherwise is lazy, and won't make for a truly great tech company. This seriously undervalues what a *good* non-technical founder or adviser can bring to a company. It took me years (as an engi

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-15 Thread Trindaz
Technical founders don't need non-technical cofounders. Believing otherwise is lazy, and won't make for a truly great tech company. Datapoints to support my claim off the top of my head: Microsoft, HP, Facebook, Sun, Atlassian. Counter-points which might mean I'm wrong: MySpace (I'd argue they we

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-14 Thread Kurt Falkenstein
A technical founder is in a better position than a non-technical (business) founder when it comes to accessing the other. If you are product oriented, you have a bevy of consultants/lawyers/ accountants that can help you commercialise (=make money from) your product more predictably. Running the b

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-12 Thread Matthew Ho
apologies for the double post, but just read this blog post now from Elias on this exact topic: http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2011/05/im-a-hustler-baby/ Worth reading. On May 13, 6:33 am, Matthew Ho wrote: > I agree with this comment. > >  "most disruptive & innovative ideas & products tend to

[SiliconBeach] Re: Non-Technical Co Founders

2011-05-12 Thread Matthew Ho
I agree with this comment. "most disruptive & innovative ideas & products tend to come from 'product minded' & 'technical focused' people, the very sort that may struggle to get their ideas 'incorporated' despite having all the technical acumen or the design skills required to make extraordinary