Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Deepa Mohan wrote: That's great. To access a blogsite that has been blocked for security reasons we go through the Pakistan blog oh man, the irony is entering my soulYes, all the newspapers have picked up on it, but what's going to be done? DoT...Dept of Tyranny... Right to informatio

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 18-Jul-06, at 11:11 AM, ekta bahl wrote: Try http://pkblogs.com/ to access blogspot. It worked for me. They're having trouble keeping up with the traffic. Coral works better. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://www.pobox.com/~jace

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
That's great. To access a blogsite that has been blocked for security reasons we go through the Pakistan blog oh man, the irony is entering my soulYes, all the newspapers have picked up on it, but what's going to be done? DoT...Dept of Tyranny...   Deepa.     On 7/18/06, Kiran Jonnalagadda

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
As of this afternoon, Airtel too has started blocking. So far the known blocked sites are *.blogspot.com, *.typepad.com. and geocities.com/* (the root domains blogspot.com and typepad.com themselves remain accessible -- they have different IPs). The mainstream press is picking it up now. Co

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread ekta bahl
Try http://pkblogs.com/ to access blogspot. It worked for me.   Ekta

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could Udhay step in at this point and invoke the "No Ad Hominem" > rule? Invoked, earlier, in private mail. I think (hope) this is just a blip. As a general rule, I think that the community itself is usually quite effective at self-regulation. Which is wh

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
We don't have to like them, but we have to recognize their right to exist...and IF they find a fourth and fifth and right up to the thirty first member, we have to make sure they never come into power...   Deepa.  On 7/18/06, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: but there are only 3 party

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
Could Udhay step in at this point and invoke the "No Ad Hominem" rule?   Deepa.   On 7/17/06, Ashish Gulhati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 17-Jul-06, at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:> Your mind has snapped shut as an oyster, and no amount of > facts will budge it either way.IMO, you're describing you

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-17 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
not a single-issue party - It also wants children from the age of 12 to be able to vote. It promotes the legalisation of hard and soft drugs and free train travel for all. but there are only 3 party members, and they need at least 30 supporters to get on the list for the november elections.

[silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-17 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5187010.stm [paraphrased] A dutch court ruled that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) had the same right to exist as any other political party. The PNVD was formed by three paedophiles in May, prompting outrage in Dutch society. It seeks to

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 6:01 PM, Ashish Gulhati wrote: On 17-Jul-06, at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Your mind has snapped shut as an oyster, and no amount of facts will budge it either way. IMO, you're describing yourself here. More precisely, you seem to fall for just about any flimsy excuse

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: We've been through this before. This cuts both ways: you just killed your own argument by admitting that there are no free markets, period, and hence your arguments are pure fantasy. Not at all. Perhaps you didn't read where I wrote: Let's take it

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
When I said the discussion is over, I meant it. On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 05:59:20PM +0100, Ashish Gulhati wrote: > > On 17-Jul-06, at 4:32 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > >No, you're not listening. The price is volatile. The investments > >required are enormous. This is a case where markets don't wor

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Your mind has snapped shut as an oyster, and no amount of facts will budge it either way. IMO, you're describing yourself here. #!

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 4:32 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: No, you're not listening. The price is volatile. The investments required are enormous. This is a case where markets don't work at all well. They start working when you're removing volatility by artificial means, such as e.g. making a fossil tax r

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 05:18:56PM +0100, Ashish Gulhati wrote: > On 17-Jul-06, at 4:39 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > >Why does the free market not give us electric cars, or electric > >ships, or electric planes, not even supersonic? > > You are contradicting yourself. You just agreed in an earlier

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 4:39 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Why does the free market not give us electric cars, or electric ships, or electric planes, not even supersonic? You are contradicting yourself. You just agreed in an earlier post that once coercion is applied, it's no longer a free market. So exactl

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Biju Chacko wrote: [ on 12:29 PM 7/17/2006 ] [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/658 "The group silk-list is temporarily unavailable" This should do it: http://netropolis.org/silklist/msg00735.html Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 03:50:19PM +0100, Ashish Gulhati wrote: > You can make electricity directly from coal, without making it oil Have you looked up the energy density of octane, and of NiMH cells? There's a damn reason the world is hooked on liquid hydrocarbons, and you need big expensive pla

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 03:41:43PM +0100, Ashish Gulhati wrote: > By definition, if we're running low on energy, the price per unit is > going > to go up, dramatically. Plenty of profit there without state meddling. No, you're not listening. The price is volatile. The investments required are e

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 1:07 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Known coal reserves: 200,000 Quads. Same thing: Fischer-Tropsch plants. Same reason. You can make electricity directly from coal, without making it oil first. It's not oil we need, it's energy, and increasingly in the form of electricity. #!

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
On 17-Jul-06, at 1:07 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 12:13:02PM +0100, Ashish Gulhati wrote: Peak oil is the purest rubbish. Propaganda created, as usual, to promote an atmosphere of fear and put more power in the hands of tyrants. No, it's classic economics. No one will com

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 12:13:02PM +0100, Ashish Gulhati wrote: > Peak oil is the purest rubbish. Propaganda created, as usual, to > promote an > atmosphere of fear and put more power in the hands of tyrants. No, it's classic economics. No one will commit massive funds for infrastructure if the

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
Here: http://netropolis.org/silklist/ This only contains the messages from silk.mbox. New messages aren't currently going into the archive. Will get that going soon. Also, there's no search yet. Will add one asap. #! On 17-Jul-06, at 8:38 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Biju Chacko <[EMA

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Ashish Gulhati
Peak oil is the purest rubbish. Propaganda created, as usual, to promote an atmosphere of fear and put more power in the hands of tyrants. "Humanity uses 345 Quads per year of fossil fuel. Oil shale deposits hold 10 million Quads." - Huber & Mills [1] Known coal reserves: 200,000 Quads. Th

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 17-Jul-06, at 2:08 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: I can confirm that Airtel and Reliance weren't blocking - at least until past midnight. As of this afternoon, Airtel too has started blocking. So far the known blocked sites are *.blogspot.com, *.typepad.com. and geocities.com/* (the roo

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-07-17 15:03:13 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > ams, if you send me you address, I'll reach it to you. > (or are you in b'lore?) Me? No, I'm in Delhi. Where are you? -- ams

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Savita Rao
I cant, but would be happy to lend 'em to whoever can. ams, if you send me you address, I'll reach it to you. (or are you in b'lore?) s Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:53:48PM +0530, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: I have High and Low, and Drunken Angel. Would you want 'em?

Re: [silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
HUH. I'll believe it when it happens.   Deepa.   On 7/17/06, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,19509-2266159,00.html TV standby buttons will be outlawedBy Lewis Smith and Mark HendersonTHE Government is to outlaw standby switches on television

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:53:48PM +0530, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: > > I have High and Low, and Drunken Angel. Would you want 'em? > > To put it mildly! Can someone rip them, and upload them somewhere? -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl http://leitl.org __

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-07-17 14:25:37 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have High and Low, and Drunken Angel. Would you want 'em? To put it mildly! -- ams

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread sastry
On Mon July 17 2006 11:14, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > No, no! Smith and Westinghouse, first, please. > > Wesson you mean? Ram's not mean. Smith and generous. shiv

[silk] Singapore banking

2006-07-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
Folks, has any of you ever opened a personal banking account in Singapore? I would like to know a couple details; please contact, offlist, if necessary. -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.368

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Savita Rao wrote: I have High and Low, and Drunken Angel. Would you want 'em? s if you're in madras - that's a loud and clear YES :)

[silk] Early signs that Peak Oil is beginning to be taken seriously...

2006-07-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,19509-2266159,00.html TV standby buttons will be outlawed By Lewis Smith and Mark Henderson THE Government is to outlaw standby switches on televisions and video and DVD players to cut the amount of electricity wasted in the home. Refrigerators, was

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Savita Rao
I have High and Low, and Drunken Angel. Would you want 'em? s Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: At 2006-07-17 11:44:40 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most of my collection is 50s-70s hollywood, kurosawa etc Mm, Kurosawa. Do you have any of the following? Nora Inu/Stray Dog, Dodes'ka-den, T

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
Madhu Menon wrote: Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: On 17-Jul-06, at 1:06 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: On what ISP? Worked fine for me from a BSNL DSL link at home, and from work. BSNL and VSNL are not blocking. Reliance and Spectranet are. I recall someone was collating a list of what ISPs are bloc

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 17-Jul-06, at 1:58 PM, Madhu Menon wrote: BSNL and VSNL are not blocking. Reliance and Spectranet are. I recall someone was collating a list of what ISPs are blocking. http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/blogspot-blogs-banned-in-india- read.html That doesn't seem very reliable considerin

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Madhu Menon
Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: On 17-Jul-06, at 1:06 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: On what ISP? Worked fine for me from a BSNL DSL link at home, and from work. BSNL and VSNL are not blocking. Reliance and Spectranet are. I recall someone was collating a list of what ISPs are blocking. http://labno

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 17-Jul-06, at 1:40 PM, Manish Jethani wrote: Amit Agarwal has a list on his blog: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/blogspot-blogs-banned-in-india- read.html And since that is blocked for some of us, try this: http:// techbytes.co.in/experimental/bypass.php?url=http:// labnol.blogspot.

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Manish Jethani
On 7/17/06, Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BSNL and VSNL are not blocking. Reliance and Spectranet are. I recall someone was collating a list of what ISPs are blocking. Amit Agarwal has a list on his blog: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/blogspot-blogs-banned-in-india-read.h

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Abhijit Menon-Sen [17/07/06 12:05 +0530]: Mm, Kurosawa. Do you have any of the following? Nora Inu/Stray Dog, Dodes'ka-den, Tengoku to jigoku/High and Low, Donzoko/The Lower Depths, Ikimono no kiroku/I Live in Fear, or Yoidore tenshi/Drunken Angel? Dodes'Kaden - yup. Not the others though (cer

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 17-Jul-06, at 1:06 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: On what ISP? Worked fine for me from a BSNL DSL link at home, and from work. BSNL and VSNL are not blocking. Reliance and Spectranet are. I recall someone was collating a list of what ISPs are blocking. IAC, we have confirmation that there i

Re: [silk] Introduction - new member

2006-07-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Biju Chacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/658 > > "The group silk-list is temporarily unavailable" Will one of the folks who have the silk mbox files available please put them up on the web? Yahoogroups is pissing me off. Udhay -- ((Udhay S

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears India�s Department of Telecommunications (DoT) has issued > > a directive to Indian ISPs to block BlogSpot and TypePad, and several > > ISPs have complied. LiveJournal is spared. I�ve been unable to access > > BlogSpot since Frid

Re: [silk] madikere

2006-07-17 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On 7/17/06, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone been there? Does anyone know if it's sensible to expect to arrive in Bangalore in the morning, and be in Madikere by evening? What's the best way to do it? Bus to Mysore and another to Madikere? Would a taxi be expensive? Are th