Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 10:12:59 pm Badri Natarajan wrote: > I'm really not grasping why economic success and stability in > Pakistan won't fix the problem Badri - at the risk of sounding like a saleaman trying to push his wares, the answer can be found in my book - or at least pointers if you act

Re: [silk] Rhetoric and dialectic - was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 11:49:14 pm Perry E. Metzger wrote: > I'm saddened to hear that the discussion makes you so uncomfortable > that you can't discuss the substance and can only make peripheral > comments. Please consider this. I have: a) Written a long post on what, in my view, india needs to

Re: [silk] Meetup in Madras on Dec 27th?

2008-12-19 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Krish Ashok > wrote: > > I'm in > > Will wonders never cease, I am in Chennai on said dates, you will have > the please of my glorious self. Heh! Anyway. I don't know for sure if I can make it, but I

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Divya Sampath wrote: > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Amit Varma wrote: > > > Sorry, who be IG? > > > > IG is bonobashi, who happens to be over 200 years old. He is the list > Methuselah in chief. No, I think methesulah. I think I emailed IG about this (but I am too

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2008-12-19 00:07:18 +, bluelull...@gmail.com wrote: > > "offer open till stocks last" If you add an apostrophe to "stocks" and parse "last" as an adjective instead of a verb, it all makes sense. ;-) -- ams

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Thaths wrote: > O tempora! O mores! I never thought my grandfatherhood > would be > supplanted by some 200-year-old whipper snapper. I forgot about you, Thaths. Obviously my senility is beginning to show. How old are you again? 950, give or take a decade? Are you still co

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > >(As Aelfric's Colloquy put it, back in the > 10th century, "Wé cildra > > >biddaþ þé, éalá láréow, > > >þæt þú taéce ús sprecan rihte, forþám > ungelaérede wé sindon, and > > gewæmmodlíce we sprecaþ," > > Hmm, I can kinda understand that. Since y

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Amit Varma
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Divya Sampath wrote: > How dare you imply that my righteous indignation did not prove that I am > incontrovertibly, irrefutably right. This is war! War, I tell you! > > Plus, I was under the impression that some form of monetary compensation > was involved. Paymen

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:11:48AM +0530, Madhu Menon wrote: > >(As Aelfric's Colloquy put it, back in the 10th century, "Wé cildra > >biddaþ þé, éalá láréow, > >þæt þú taéce ús sprecan rihte, forþám ungelaérede wé sindon, and > gewæmmodlíce we sprecaþ," Hmm, I can kinda understand that. > Yo

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Amit Varma wrote: > But an exaggerated sense of > > indignation over trivialities is part of the fun of > being a pedant and a > > Silk-list loony. > > > > Oh, cool, so this is just for fun. That's okay then -- > because you're wrong > on both 'an history' and 'decimate', i

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Amit Varma
> > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > >> Looking at a higher level, economic theory tells us that the whole >> game is not zero sum. India's economy would be better off if Pakistan >> developed, just as the US and Europe are better off because India and >> China are develo

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Madhu Menon wrote: > You lie! That was Gandalf who said that! :P Be grateful I didn't quote Sauron this time around. That would turn into the Return Of The Monster Tolkien Thread, and then Udhay would spontaneously combust. A few years ago, one might have had few qualms

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Amit Varma
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Divya Sampath wrote: > So, you're saying that 'an history' is hallowed by virtue of antiquity and > a respectable pedigree, but in the case of 'decimate', the contender with > youth and popularity beats the establishment favourite? Hmm. That's > interesting sophist

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Madhu Menon
(As Aelfric's Colloquy put it, back in the 10th century, "Wé cildra biddaþ þé, éalá láréow, >þæt þú taéce ús sprecan rihte, forþám ungelaérede wé sindon, and gewæmmodlíce we sprecaþ," You lie! That was Gandalf who said that! :P -- <<< * >>> Madhu Menon Shiok Far-eastern Cuisine | Moss

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Perry E. Metzger
"Badri Natarajan" writes: > Speaking for myself, it feels like I'm getting a dim sense of the points > you're trying to make, without fully understanding. I can sort-of > understand the point about Pakistani identity being linked to Indian > failure, but I'm really not grasping why economic succe

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Perry E. Metzger
ss writes: > On Friday 19 Dec 2008 9:15:19 pm Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> Actually, it makes no sense to me at all. > > Don't worry about it. It will not affect you in any way. Just ignore my > messages. You are seeing my viewpoint only because we are on the same list. > Not because we are on th

Re: [silk] Rhetoric and dialectic - was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Perry E. Metzger
ss writes: > That is fine with me but you will have to excuse me. I have not read > most of your message and will not be doing so. I am not really > interested. I'm saddened to hear that the discussion makes you so uncomfortable that you can't discuss the substance and can only make peripheral c

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:41 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: I have no direct experience, however on internet forums there are fairly regular reports of the INSAS heating up to unusable temperatures after 10-20 continuous rounds. This is also said to be due to the poor quality of Indian ammunition.

Re: [silk] Meetup in Madras on Dec 27th?

2008-12-19 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Krish Ashok wrote: > I'm in Will wonders never cease, I am in Chennai on said dates, you will have the please of my glorious self. Cheeni

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 19, 2008, at 6:47 AM, ss wrote: Of course the "theory" was that the smaller round would maim and then the enemy soldiers would be put out of action - i.e. the wounded man and two people to carry him. However. this obviosuly does not work against jihadis. The problem with this oft

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 10:12:59 pm Badri Natarajan wrote: > Shiv, that's a cop-out. The reasons Perry gives are the natural responses > you'll get from most people who disagree with your views, irrespective of > their background. If you can, I think you should try and address his > points. Yes it i

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Badri Natarajan
> in either of us trying to understand the others' viewpoint. I am not > trying > to understand yours and I will not try and make you understand mine. > Shiv, that's a cop-out. The reasons Perry gives are the natural responses you'll get from most people who disagree with your views, irrespective

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 9:37:11 pm Eugen Leitl wrote: > dysfunctional two-spent-swimmers-cling-together > relationship. This is an excellent analogy that I wll use. "Barbaric" is certainly an appropriate expression of the feeling that exists. But the only way anyone can begin to understand is to

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:21:17PM +0530, ss wrote: > Don't worry about it. It will not affect you in any way. Just ignore my > messages. You are seeing my viewpoint only because we are on the same list. > Not because we are on the same wavelength. I don't think there is any point > in either o

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Divya Sampath wrote: > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Amit Varma wrote: >> Sorry, who be IG? > IG is bonobashi, who happens to be over 200 years old. He is the list > Methuselah in chief. O tempora! O mores! I never thought my grandfatherhood would be supplanted by some

Re: [silk] Meetup in Madras on Dec 27th?

2008-12-19 Thread Krish Ashok
I'm in On 17-Dec-08, at 5:22 PM, Thaths wrote: When: 12:30 pm on Dec 27th 2008 Where: Sree Annapurna of Calcutta restaurant, Egmore, Chennai (http://chennai.burrp.com/listing/restaurant/131398178_sree-annapurna-of-calcutta ) What: A meetup Can you please RSVP if you are going to make it? Th

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 9:15:19 pm Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Actually, it makes no sense to me at all. Don't worry about it. It will not affect you in any way. Just ignore my messages. You are seeing my viewpoint only because we are on the same list. Not because we are on the same wavelength. I do

Re: [silk] some more from arundhati

2008-12-19 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > >>> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy/print >>> This is interesting: >>> http://greatbong.net/2008/12/16/the-algebra-of-infinite-fundamentalism/ >> >> >>

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Perry E. Metzger
ss writes: > India's success is Pakistan's failure. India has to fail for Pakistan to > succeed. But this seems to be too abstract an idea for most people, > regardless of their education, to understand. Actually, it makes no sense to me at all. The world is not a zero sum game. If the US succ

Re: [silk] Rhetoric and dialectic - was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 9:02:46 pm Perry E. Metzger wrote: > You are one of those who claims that terrorism is an existential > threat to society that justifies vast commitment of resources and the > restructuring of the legal system. Sorry. Could you kindly point me to any statement I have made ca

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Perry E. Metzger
I'm not sure how serious you are here, but, at the risk of making the implicit explicit... "lukhman_khan" writes: > Even if we cant cover each and every square kilometer of the whole > country, we can at least cover the areas of interests with real > fool-proof security. I don't think even that

Re: [silk] Rhetoric and dialectic - was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Perry E. Metzger
ss writes: > On Thursday 18 Dec 2008 12:46:17 am Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> All that said, people seem to be taking you to task for ignoring the >> fact that terrorism is a very small killer which is very hard to >> address, and much bigger killers which are cheaper and easier to >> address go un

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Amit Varma wrote: > Sorry, who be IG? > IG is bonobashi, who happens to be over 200 years old. He is the list Methuselah in chief.

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Amit Varma wrote: > correct. 'An history' fell out of > fashion in the 20th century, but was the norm before that > Language evolves. According to Mirriam-Webster [1] and > WordNet [2], > 'decimate', like so many other words, has an > accepted second meaning. So, you'

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Abhijit Menon-Sen > wrote: > > > At 2008-12-18 11:40:27 -0800, divyasamp...@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > > > If you are nostalgic about my outbursts of > linguistic pedantry on > > > Silk, we can go int

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread ss
On Friday 19 Dec 2008 11:36:12 am J. Andrew Rogers wrote: > The 5.56x45mm is *not* designed to maim except to the extent that   > maiming leads to death. This is an old urban legend based primarily on   > the fact that it uses a significantly smaller bullet than the   > cartridges it replaced. This

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Amit Varma
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: > 2008/12/19 Amit Varma : > > > Both* 'a history' and 'an history' are correct. 'An history' fell out of > > fashion in the 20th century, but was the norm before that -- > > So you're saying that IG uses "an history" because that's wha

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: > > Divya, > > Just curious - how exactly does one get behind a gripe? It's easy, Ram - one just waits around for it to get ahead of itself, which it inevitably does, because it's the nature of the beast. In the process, one finds oneself be

Re: [silk] Pet Peeves and Pedantry, was: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Supriya Nair
I was going to say that I fail to understand why any of this is particularly bothersome, but then I remembered my own feelings of helpless frustration on being confronted with the word 'revert' in a professional email when the sender means 'respond,' and I begin to feel some sympathy. On Fri, Dec

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:28:19AM +0530, Madhu Menon wrote: > We could try to manufacture some of The Joker's laugh gas against the > terrorists. Let's put a millle on that face! Unfortunately, they'll only die laughing.

Re: [silk] BW: How Risky Is India?

2008-12-19 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, J. Andrew Rogers wrote: [...] > The doctrinal assumptions of infantry and police are inverted. Infantry > operate in a hostile environment in proximity to a few friendly people, > police operate in a friendly environment in proximity to a few hostile > people. T