Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Andre Uratsuka Manoel wrote: > Hello all, > > First, let me introduce myself. My name is Andre Uratsuka Manoel and I > am a Japanese-Portuguese-Spanish Brazilian from Sao Paulo, Brazil. Hi Andrewelcome to this list! There are plenty of us who don't post anyt

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Feb 1, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Andre Uratsuka Manoel wrote: I would disagree with you on the assertion about Keynesians. Actually, Keynesian theory is very much in the reality-based side of economics. Keynesian theory = epicycles Austrian theory = Kepler-ian dynamics The Keynesians argue that t

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Andre Uratsuka Manoel
Hello all, First, let me introduce myself. My name is Andre Uratsuka Manoel and I am a Japanese-Portuguese-Spanish Brazilian from Sao Paulo, Brazil. I've been lurking here for a few weeks now, having met a few of the regulars of this list (including Udhay and Eugen Leitl) from other lists. I've al

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Feb 1, 2009, at 12:31 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: J. Andrew Rogers [01/02/09 00:08 -0800]: Eh? Only to the extent Obama is not responsible for the actions of Congress, which controls much of this. The recent "stimulus" bill was a record-shattering orgy of graft, corruption, and in

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread ashok _
On 2/1/09, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > chopping people's arms off for theft is certainly a powerful argument > against theft. but somalia + islamic is probably one of the warlords like > aideed .. and is janjaweed a somalian militia? or is that another country > altogether? nasty bunch of peo

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
There are some rare occasions where I do agree with Shiv - and here he is spot on. srs > -Original Message- > From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net > [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf > Of ss > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 20

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread ss
On Sunday 01 Feb 2009 2:33:37 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Sterling was claiming that the Westphalian System was (i) a form of > consensus reality that (ii) could cause global disruption if it unravelled. > > > Let's consider seven other massive reservoirs of potential popular > dread. Any one of t

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
ashok _ [01/02/09 11:23 +]: If the americans had let the islamic courts take control two years ago, there wouldnt have been any somali pirate problem. Now that the americans have given up and left - and the islamic courts will probably take over and solve the problem themselves. chopping

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread ashok _
On 2/1/09, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > The arguments he needs to look at are for cleaning house - which is > certainly on. And expecting the world to slide down to the level of somalian > pirates, who live in a country where dictatorship has been replaced by > anarchy, .. well, I guess there w

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread ashok _
On 2/1/09, J. Andrew Rogers wrote: > Eh? Only to the extent Obama is not responsible for the actions of > Congress, which controls much of this. The recent "stimulus" bill was > a record-shattering orgy of graft, corruption, and influence peddling, > and so transparently so that even some of the p

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 10:47:12AM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > A slightly more cooked version: > > http://seedmagazine.com/news/2009/01/2009_will_be_a_year_of_panic.php > > 2009 Will Be a Year of Panic O'RLY. > >From the fevered mind of Bruce Sterling and his alter-ego, Bruno > Argento, a

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Bonobashi
--- On Sun, 1/2/09, Bonobashi wrote: > From: Bonobashi > Subject: Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Sunday, 1 February, 2009, 4:01 PM > --- On Sun, 1/2/09, Udhay Shankar N > wrote: > > > From: Udhay Shankar N > > Subject: Re: [silk] Br

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Bonobashi
--- On Sun, 1/2/09, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > From: Udhay Shankar N > Subject: Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Sunday, 1 February, 2009, 2:33 PM > ss wrote, [on 2/1/2009 1:02 PM]: > > >> 6. The Westphalian system. Why are so many great

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Udhay Shankar N
ss wrote, [on 2/1/2009 1:02 PM]: >> 6. The Westphalian system. Why are so many great military powers losing >> a war in Afghanistan? Afghanistan isn't even a nation-state, yet it's >> defeating all comers. Why do we even pretend to have nations these days? >> Hollow states, failed states, non-stat

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
J. Andrew Rogers [01/02/09 00:08 -0800]: Eh? Only to the extent Obama is not responsible for the actions of Congress, which controls much of this. The recent "stimulus" bill was a record-shattering orgy of graft, corruption, and influence peddling, and He's got congress pushing him a bit mo

Re: [silk] Bruce Sterling's State of the World chat

2009-02-01 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Obama certainly isn’t introducing a planned economy but a lot of grafters who have been abusing the system are certainly being reined in. Eh? Only to the extent Obama is not responsible for the actions of Congress, which control