Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
#inherits previous disclaimers There's a paper floating around (can't get to it right now since I'm on my BB in a beach in goa) that claims that gmail users are smarter and wealthier than yahoo or hotmail users. This could be because the gmail userbase hasn't trickled down to the unwashed masses

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Thaths
On 7/6/07, Ved Prakash Vipul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am sure relative competencies (gmail vs yahoo) play a big role, but yahoo has a larger attack surface - they have been around much longer and hence spammers have more target addresses @yahoo and are also more familiar with their AS approac

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread shiv sastry
On Friday 06 Jul 2007 2:21 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote: > I am still ignorant of what actually *happens* (or ought to happen) > when I send tick that box, marking messages as spam. Does the software > mark down the IP address of the sending computer? Does it mark the > words in the subject title for futu

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 03:36:38PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Yeah, and several of them suck bad at spam filtering even though they > dont know they suck that bad. I agree that they suck. Spamassassin can't compete with the number of measurement points and aggregated human classificat

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Eugen Leitl wrote: > Which is why they suck so badly. > > My point of view that there should be one VServer/customer, > with static IP and full postfix/procmail/spam/antivirus/webmail > mounty, if that's what the customer wants. > > several-middle-linux-boxes-run-by-a-geek-ly Yrs, Yeah, and sev

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 02:37:58AM -0700, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Given what I know of the people running yahoo email - they do have a very > high awareness of it. Large ISP / email provider filtering doesnt work the > same way as at "small linux box run by a geek" type domains. Which is

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Abhijit Menon-Sen [06/07/07 13:13 +0530]: > And why is Gmail so much better on the spam scenario? On a related note, here's a paper titled "Sender Reputation in a Large Webmail Service" by someone at Google. http://www.ceas.cc/2006/19.pdf Yup. That's a great paper to read, and pretty close to

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Deepa Mohan [06/07/07 11:50 +0430]: Since I am not a techie, I want to know, especially with reference to Yahoo...what happens when I mark something on my inbox as spam? I get a standard "thank you" saying that it helps every time I identify something as spam...but of late, I notice that my Yahoo

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 7/6/07, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am still ignorant of what actually *happens* (or ought to happen) when I send tick that box, marking messages as spam. Does the software mark down the IP address of the sending computer? Does it mark the words in the subject title for future ref

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Deepa Mohan
I am still ignorant of what actually *happens* (or ought to happen) when I send tick that box, marking messages as spam. Does the software mark down the IP address of the sending computer? Does it mark the words in the subject title for future reference? What else is it supposed to do? And if it d

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 7/6/07, Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why a message saying "find a fuckbuddy tonight" makes it past a spam filter, I will never understand. For some of us, that's email from our friends, not spam... -- Charles

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Ved Prakash Vipul
On Jul 6, 2007, at 12:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Binand Sethumadhavan wrote: [ on 01:08 PM 7/6/2007 ] Policies I guess... My opinion is that Yahoo engineers have the spam problem solved to the extend Google has, but the higher ups are reluctant to deploy these solutions. I thought (back w

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Binand Sethumadhavan wrote: [ on 01:08 PM 7/6/2007 ] Policies I guess... My opinion is that Yahoo engineers have the spam problem solved to the extend Google has, but the higher ups are reluctant to deploy these solutions. I thought (back when I was using Yahoo mail regularly - upto around 1.

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-07-06 09:38:11 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > And why is Gmail so much better on the spam scenario? On a related note, here's a paper titled "Sender Reputation in a Large Webmail Service" by someone at Google. http://www.ceas.cc/2006/19.pdf > My opinion is that Yahoo engineers have

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 06/07/07, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: more and more spam, and if not for the fact that I use it for many purposes, I would shut it (I combined those two words while typing, and typed another word, oops,Freudian slip!) down... Suggestion: Why not use Yahoo's "Forward all email" fea

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Deepa Mohan
Hey Jess, nice to see you around after ages! I hope the bullet got you in the shoulder, not the heart! ;-) Deepa. On 7/6/07, Jessica Prabhakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Deepa, I check silk mail after ages..and this is the first one I see :/ As of now I have no satisfying answer. .. Yahoo is w

Re: [silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Jessica Prabhakar
Deepa, I check silk mail after ages..and this is the first one I see :/ As of now I have no satisfying answer. .. Yahoo is working to improve its spam 'management'. And Thaths is the better man...always! :) ~Jess Deepa Mohan wrote: Since I am not a techie, I want to know, especially with re

[silk] A query....

2007-07-06 Thread Deepa Mohan
Since I am not a techie, I want to know, especially with reference to Yahoo...what happens when I mark something on my inbox as spam? I get a standard "thank you" saying that it helps every time I identify something as spam...but of late, I notice that my Yahoo id is getting more and more spam, an