Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-12-05 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote: > I am an agnostic...I'd rather call myself an ignorantic, as I feel I just > don't know.. I am still unable to decide clearly if there is a God, or there > isn't. (Except, of course, the God who dwells in the bathroom, and makes the > mother s

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-12-01 Thread Charles Haynes
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Heather Madrone wrote: > On 11/28/10 11:37 PM November 28, 2010, Deepa Mohan wrote: >> >> Who are the ones who believe in God, on this list? The atheists? The >> agnostics? > > I believe it's a category error to talk about belief or lack of belief in > God. The ques

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-30 Thread Heather Madrone
On 11/28/10 11:37 PM November 28, 2010, Deepa Mohan wrote: Who are the ones who believe in God, on this list? The atheists? The agnostics? I believe it's a category error to talk about belief or lack of belief in God. The question should raise a "CONCRETE OPERATOR INVALID ON ABSTRACT OBJECT

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-30 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > Even Einstein believed in God. Are you basing this on the "God does not play dice" statement? Thaths -- Marge: Quick, somebody perform CPR! Homer: Umm (singing) I see a bad moon rising. Marge: That's CCR! Homer: Looks like we're in f

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-28 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 29 November 2010 13:07, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > I googled IIRC: > > AcronymDefinitionIIRCIf I Recall/Remember/Recall Correctly IIRCInteractive > Illinois Report CardIIRCIf I Read CorrectlyIIRCIf I Really Cared IIRCImage > and Identity Research CollectiveIIRCImpedance Imaging Research Center > (K

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-28 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan < kiran.karthike...@gmail.com> wrote: > > IIRC his major issue was with the Uncertainty Principle, which as far as I > know hasn't been disproved. Once you accept that science, even his > definition of God seems superstitious and starts sounding

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-28 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 28 November 2010 11:08, Sriram Karra wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Sriram Karra wrote: > >> > >> Even Einstein believed in God. > >> > >> Kiran > >> > > > > If "God" refers to a supernatural power who created and sustains the > > world and listens to prayers and doles out favours

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-28 Thread Lahar Appaiah
Has anyone read Alistair MacLean's Circus? It talks about matter and anti matter and the two of them cancelling each other out with a resounding explosion. On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 09:26:43PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > ..and as far as I c

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-27 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Charles Haynes wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan > wrote: > >> Even Einstein believed in God. > > Einstein also believed in hidden variables and disbelieved in spooky > action at a distance. > > ... and he was wrong. As a point of peda

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-27 Thread Sriram Karra
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Sriram Karra wrote: >> >> Even Einstein believed in God. >> >> Kiran >> > > If "God" refers to a supernatural power who created and sustains the > world and listens to prayers and doles out favours to the faithful, > then Einstein certainly did not believe in God.

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-27 Thread Sriram Karra
> > Even Einstein believed in God. > > Kiran > If "God" refers to a supernatural power who created and sustains the world and listens to prayers and doles out favours to the faithful, then Einstein certainly did not believe in God. Richard Dawkins' God Delusion goes into this very misconception i

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Charles Haynes
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > Even Einstein believed in God. Einstein also believed in hidden variables and disbelieved in spooky action at a distance. ... and he was wrong. -- Charles

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > Even Einstein believed in God. Superstition is hard to root out. -T

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 26 November 2010 22:34, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan > >> Isn't that the whole point of science? To investigate without these >> encumberances? So that one day all of them fall within the realm of science >> and there are no more et ceteras? >

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 26-Nov-10 10:37 PM, Madhu Menon wrote: >> How do we deal with our discoveries? When does science start thinking >> about spirituality? etc etc etc. > > That isn't the purpose of science. Indeed: http://netropolis.in/silklist/msg00181.html > Also see: "God of the gaps". Is that like Cantor D

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Madhu Menon
On 26-11-2010 21:54, Deepa Mohan wrote: How do we deal with our discoveries? When does science start thinking about spirituality? etc etc etc. That isn't the purpose of science. Also see: "God of the gaps". -- Madhu Menon http://twitter.com/madmanweb

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan > Isn't that the whole point of science? To investigate without these > encumberances? So that one day all of them fall within the realm of science > and there are no more et ceteras? > > I firmly believe that there will always be et ceteras an

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 26 November 2010 21:54, Deepa Mohan wrote: > How do we deal with our discoveries? When does science start thinking >> about spirituality? etc etc etc. > > Isn't that the whole point of science? To investigate without these encumberances? So that one day all of them fall within the realm of s

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 09:54:31PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > Which dilemmas? > > > How do we deal with our discoveries? If we don't like what we discover, we probably should have thought about that a bit earlier. (And the more interesting question: how will our discoveries deal with us?) >

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 09:26:43PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > ..and as far as I can see, the dilemmas that Dan Brown talked about in > the > > novel...still remain. > > Which dilemmas? > > How do we deal with our discoveries? When does sc

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 09:26:43PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > ..and as far as I can see, the dilemmas that Dan Brown talked about in the > novel...still remain. Which dilemmas?

Re: [silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > As far as I can see, this is a Very Big Deal. > > Udhay > > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=antimatter-confined&WT.mc_id=SA_WR_20101123 > ..and as far as I can see, the dilemmas that Dan Brown talked about in the novel

[silk] Antimatter

2010-11-26 Thread Udhay Shankar N
As far as I can see, this is a Very Big Deal. Udhay http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=antimatter-confined&WT.mc_id=SA_WR_20101123 Upping the Anti: CERN Physicists Trap Antimatter Atoms for the First Time Antihydrogen has been produced before, but it must be corralled for detailed