http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081020-your-privacy-is-an-illusion-uk-attacks-civil-liberties.html
"In the decision, the Court stated that although there was a right to
not self-incriminate, this was not absolute, and that the "public
interest" can supersede this right in some circumstances
2008/10/21 Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/3230452/Centuries-of-British-freedoms-being-broken-by-security-state-says-Sir-Ken-Macdonald.html
>
> "Outgoing Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Ken Macdonald warned
> that the expansio
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/3230452/Centuries-of-British-freedoms-being-broken-by-security-state-says-Sir-Ken-Macdonald.html
"Outgoing Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Ken Macdonald warned
that the expansion of technology by the state into everyday life could
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Because they are! I fail to understand this line of reasoning. Theatre
> for theatre's sake is what you're advocating? If what you're saying is
> that the general populous need to 'feel' safe instead of actually
> 'bein
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 09:01:57AM +0530, Gautam John wrote:
> I'm waiting for the first terrorist to swallow a bomb or embed one
> internally. And you thought the screenings were bad?
No need. Luggage handlers. Security themselves.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 07:08:14PM -0700, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> etc etc). If he were to see what's truly effective he'd have to see what
> goes on with El Al in Israel - everybody is treated suspiciously, and
> there's blatant racial profiling, etc etc. TSA are pussycats compared to
> is
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gets you a full body xray - which catches ingested explosives, yes -
Oh. So it has already come to pass. Progress, FTW!
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Gautam John [21/10/08 09:01 +0530]:
Unless you are omniscient and have esp to boot .. yes, you do react to
threats, because
I'm waiting for the first terrorist to swallow a bomb or embed one
internally. And you thought the screenings were bad?
gets you a full body xray - which catch
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unless you are omniscient and have esp to boot .. yes, you do react to
> threats, because
I'm waiting for the first terrorist to swallow a bomb or embed one
internally. And you thought the screenings were ba
Gautam John [21/10/08 08:57 +0530]:
As a general rule, if you are reacting to threats you're always behind
the curve. And suggesting violations of personal privacy and liberties
to get ahead of the curve is not really an option because the privacy
vs. security debate is a red herring. It's always
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are a few problems here. Some of these checks got put in place
> because of specific incidents (scanning cellphones separately for example -
As a general rule, if you are reacting to threats you're always b
Gautam John [21/10/08 08:35 +0530]:
Because they are! I fail to understand this line of reasoning. Theatre
for theatre's sake is what you're advocating? If what you're saying is
that the general populous need to 'feel' safe instead of actually
'being' safe, there is some merit to it. But I don't
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes. and the alternatives get dismissed as security theater.
> sure, a few simple improvements (such as bp checking) could do wonders..
> and maybe some attitude retraining for various TSA staff.
Because they are
Gautam John [21/10/08 07:59 +0530]:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
goes on with El Al in Israel - everybody is treated suspiciously, and
there's blatant racial profiling, etc etc. TSA are pussycats compared to
israeli security.
Ummm, yes but
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> goes on with El Al in Israel - everybody is treated suspiciously, and
> there's blatant racial profiling, etc etc. TSA are pussycats compared to
> israeli security.
Ummm, yes but there are certain trade-offs that
Rishab Ghosh [20/10/08 09:11 -0700]:
"obvious"? to whom? certainly not to the many people who are being
targeted as teh audience of the "theatre" of false security. they may not
read schneier's blog, but some of them do read the atlantic, and the other
mainstream press publications that cover sch
Well if you get one that goes upto 7 you are probably typing this from an
open access point on the florida mainland that you are somehow able to
reach from gitmo bay ..
4 is the most common "random check" around - usually hand inspection of
baggage and where its available, one of those whole body
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:52:56PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> I was never a fan of theatrical fireworks, or of stating / proving the
> obvious
"obvious"? to whom? certainly not to the many people who are being targeted as
teh audience of the "theatre" of false security. they may not r
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I had the letters S tagged onto my boarding pass earlier this year
>>
>> Just 4 Ss ..
>
> Were you there looking over my shou
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I had the letters S tagged onto my boarding pass earlier this year
>
> Just 4 Ss ..
Were you there looking over my shoulder? ;-) You are right, I think I
had only 4 Ss, but it can go all the way upto 7 depend
t; Subject: Re: [silk] Bruce Schneier (was Re: The Seven Habits of Highly
> Ineffective Terrorists)
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, he doesn't just coin it, he practices it - this publi
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unfortunately, he doesn't just coin it, he practices it - this public
> debunking is silly. Entertaining of course, but silly.
And why is it silly? Because it is not realistic? Because it does not
serve a purpose
> I had the letters S tagged onto my boarding pass earlier this year
Just 4 Ss ..
> I agree Bruce is one of the loudest voices against security theater.
> IIRC, he's also the one that coined the term "security theater".
Unfortunately, he doesn't just coin it, he practices it - this public
de
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 08:41 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>> All that said, here's an interesting article that just got published,
>> and you will note Bruce's involvement.
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 08:41 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> All that said, here's an interesting article that just got published,
> and you will note Bruce's involvement.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security
americans haven't figured out when to check ID? i hadn't noticed t
Perry E. Metzger [20/10/08 08:41 -0400]:
All that said, here's an interesting article that just got published,
and you will note Bruce's involvement.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security
Like I said, it is security theater. Proving it is easy. Proving it in a
media attention
Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Perry E. Metzger [17/10/08 14:16 -0400]:
>>Perhaps, but it is probably of value that we ask the question "what
>>causes all of this" rather than simply deciding the solution is to put
>>more concrete barriers up in the middle of our towns. Clear
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