On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the language is lost. The basic Sanskrit course that I took ended in
> an exam which was just a grammar/maths paperthough the teacher did
> try to speak only in Sankrit, the students were not responsive, and
> were
>
> We are entering the realms of philosophy here. Is Shakespeare
> knowledge? It certainly is by my definition, and therefore
> the music and drama and fiction that are published (or not
> published) in non-English languages are knowledge too. Folk
Absolutely. Scotland's own William MacGo
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 8:23:54 am J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
> English reach. I can easily imagine that some kinds of prattle in
> some languages easily exceed English by volume, but that is only
> slightly related to the total value of the content in the language.
With respect (sir) your idea of
On May 12, 2008, at 6:32 PM, ss wrote:
May I point out that you have contradicted yourself?
If 50% of people in the world speak Chinese, how does one reach the
conclusion
that more than 50% of all knowledge exists in English?
One could easily conclude this depending on how one defines
"
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Abhishek Hazra
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>The basic Sanskrit course that I took ended in
> an exam which was just a grammar/maths paper.
>
> where did you do this course? bangalore, elsewhere?
> maths= "vedic" maths?
I did it in Bangalore...and I meant, ari
>>The basic Sanskrit course that I took ended in
an exam which was just a grammar/maths paper.
where did you do this course? bangalore, elsewhere?
maths= "vedic" maths?
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jeremy Bornstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I find
> > it an interesting language, and useful from the brain engineering
> > point of view more than anything else.
>
>
On Monday 12 May 2008 11:16:04 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:31 AM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the world as a population are at least as many as the Chinese
> (Mandarin) speakers. If so, why should the English speakers fear
> erosion of the language?
< snip >
> Aga
Oh, no apology required!
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 08:45:13PM +0200, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jeremy Bornstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > I find
> > it an interesting language, and useful from the brain engineering
> > point of view more than anythin
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jeremy Bornstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I find
> it an interesting language, and useful from the brain engineering
> point of view more than anything else.
Apologies, I of course totally understand that motivation, and have
picked up a couple of languag
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:46:04PM +0200, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> P.S. I am throwing in what I know to be a radical counter argument
> here because I am not seeing anyone really questioning the assumption
> that it's unquestionably good to learn Chinese
I have no opinion about whether or not i
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:31 AM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> India (and other nations) need to start setting up the infrastructure to
> learn
> and communicate with the Chinese people. However - I admit that the English
> speaking world will have one saving grace - an India that is hoo
(Hi Brian!)
I enrolled my son Ezekiel in a Mandarin immersion program in San
Francisco when he entered first grade this past year. My reasoning
was not quite what Brian mentioned in terms of avoiding parental
comprehension because I thought it would be a good opportunity for me
to learn the langu
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 7:03 AM, va <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. I've noticed that my western friends who have lived in Japan
>> for a decade and gained totally fluency actually lose a great deal of
>> capabi
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Interesting. I've noticed that my western friends who have lived in Japan
> for a decade and gained totally fluency actually lose a great deal of
> capability with just a few years living outside Japan. I guess you can nev
va wrote:
For the most part, I have noticed that while the men never pick up the
new language, unless they learn it as kids, they possess the ability
to understand the context, despite lacking the ability to reply
fluently, Ofcourse, time, exposure and environment matters just as
much as linguist
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that invert-the-syllables, or shorten-the-last-syllable kind of
> language with your friends and cousinsthe lingo that children
...reminds me of the new script a friend and I created for the English
language and i had
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>
> > If I had kids today, I'd try to get them enrolled in the Chinese immersion
> schools here in San Francisco, or perhaps hire a Chinese tutor. How cool
> would it have been, as a kid, to know a
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My kid already does this. In fact, she giggles to my wife that "daddy can't
> understand this " in Japanese but then gets rather pissed when I respond
> in context and in English. She's three.
_grin_ ...absolute fun
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
If I had kids today, I'd try to get them enrolled in the Chinese
immersion schools here in San Francisco, or perhaps hire a Chinese
tutor. How cool would it have been, as a kid, to know a language your
parents don't know, but your friends do? That would have been aweso
On Saturday 03 May 2008 11:04:02 pm Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> Language tutoring is yet one more thing that can be done transnationally,
> check out:
>
> http://www.interlangua.com/
Interesting to me is to note that the two languages featured on there are
exactly the two languages I guessed as lik
Brian Behlendorf [03/05/08 10:34 -0700]:
It's possible. We are already seeing examples of Chinese firms filing
patents, in Chinese, and then suing foreign firms for voilating those
patents:
As opposed to ripping off other's IP and then forcing the others to do
nothing about it if they want
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 10:47:59AM -0700, Tim Bray wrote:
> Seems like a kid competent in English and Mandarin has a leg up in the
> world. -T
the languages are so incredibly different learning both as a child must be
incredibly useful for brain development. although usually learning any two to
> Brian Behlendorf wrote, [on 5/3/2008 11:04 PM]:
>
> >It's possible. We are already seeing examples of Chinese firms filing
> >patents, in Chinese, and then suing foreign firms for voilating those
> >patents:
> >
> >http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-09/29/content_6814576.htm
although the
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Brian Behlendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I had kids today, I'd try to get them enrolled in the Chinese immersion
> schools here in San Francisco, or perhaps hire a Chinese tutor.
Here in Vancouver, there is Mandarin immersion, starting in grade 4,
and our
Brian Behlendorf wrote, [on 5/3/2008 11:04 PM]:
It's possible. We are already seeing examples of Chinese firms filing
patents, in Chinese, and then suing foreign firms for voilating those
patents:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-09/29/content_6814576.htm
Wow. Interesting business mo
On Sat, 3 May 2008, ss wrote:
On Saturday 03 May 2008 6:08:55 am ss wrote:
This is not just a problem of the Chinese language,
Replying to my own post.
As a long term strategy, India really should be investing a lot more in the
study of Chinese and some other languages - especially Spanish (w
ss wrote:
This seems to support my impression that the Chinese are far more serious
about foreign languages than Indians are.
I've been traveling to China for only about four years now, so I don't
have that much experience. But even in those few short years, I've seen
a big difference in E
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:52 PM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 03 May 2008 6:29:27 pm Rishab Ghosh wrote:
[...}
> On Saturday 03 May 2008 6:28:03 pm ashok _ wrote:
> > It could probably be more because of China being a communist state rather
> > than general linguistic curiosity.
>
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:22 PM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 03 May 2008 6:29:27 pm Rishab Ghosh wrote:
>
> This realization has come to the Chinese. But not to the powers that be in
> India.
>
Maybe what we need is a chinese rajnikant :
http://www.rajinifans.com/japanese/- [
On Saturday 03 May 2008 6:29:27 pm Rishab Ghosh wrote:
> On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 05:42:55PM +0530, ss wrote:
> > If you were to tell me that the Chinese approach too is ad hoc, it would
> > be different from what I think. To me the Chinese approach seems
> > deliberate and planned, the Indian appro
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 05:42:55PM +0530, ss wrote:
> If you were to tell me that the Chinese approach too is ad hoc, it would be
> different from what I think. To me the Chinese approach seems deliberate and
> planned, the Indian approach ad hoc.
but shiv, isn't that true of everything, not jus
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM, ss wrote:
> > > There's always a problem with generalizing from a small sample[1].
> >
> > Udhay, I agree with you in principle, but in this case the sample size
> > isn't small. See,
> >
> > http://www.thehindu.com/2007/09/10/stories/2007091052840500.htm
>
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 06:08 +0530, ss wrote:
> The question is, can you live in Bangalore, or Delhi or Mumbai, in any place
> in India and say "I want to learn Chinese" or "I want my son to learn
> Chinese" and find the infrastructure to do that? That is possible for French
> and German and alm
On Saturday 03 May 2008 11:43:04 am Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> > There's always a problem with generalizing from a small sample[1].
>
> Udhay, I agree with you in principle, but in this case the sample size
> isn't small. See,
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/2007/09/10/stories/2007091052840500.htm
>
On Saturday 03 May 2008 10:27:28 am Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> OK. Per the below quoted message, you made a claim that there is a trend
> of Chinese learning Hindi, and a further claim that there is no such
> trend in the opposite direction (i.e, Indians learning Hakka or Mandarin
> or whatever). You
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 11:15 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/04/28/080428fa_fact_osnos?currentPage=all
this passage could be about india, too:
"China today is divided by class, opportunity, and power, but one of its
few unifying beliefs—something shared by wa
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ss wrote, [on 5/2/2008 8:35 PM]:
[...]
> > But the opposite is not happening to a very great extent - i.e. Indians
> learning Chinese.
> >
>
> There's always a problem with generalizing from a small sample[1].
Udhay, I a
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:01 AM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I believe that in 50 to 100 years time, English as a dominant language - the
English is the most convenient business language today but as far as
numbers go Chinese has the highest number of native speakers closely
followed by Hind
ss wrote, [on 5/3/2008 10:23 AM]:
Of course they do. That was my intention. Yet another example of irony
over ASCII being a lossy protocol.
Sorry. I don't understand the point of this exchange.
OK. Per the below quoted message, you made a claim that there is a trend
of Chinese learning Hind
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:08 AM, ss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The question is, can you live in Bangalore, or Delhi or Mumbai, in any
> place
> in India and say "I want to learn Chinese" or "I want my son to learn
> Chinese" and find the infrastructure to do that? That is possible for
> French
>
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Aadisht Khanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > For years - for many decades, Indians have been surprised by Chinese
> > > speaking to them in fluent Hindi. Someone wrote about it in the press
> > > recently - a Chinese immigration officer welcoming a tourist in
On Saturday 03 May 2008 9:54:12 am Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Of course they do. That was my intention. Yet another example of irony
> over ASCII being a lossy protocol.
Sorry. I don't understand the point of this exchange.
shiv
ss wrote, [on 5/3/2008 6:08 AM]:
On Friday 02 May 2008 8:46:07 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
There's always a problem with generalizing from a small sample[1].
No Udhay. These one off examples also fall into the category of generalizing
from a small sample.
Of course they do. That was my inten
On Saturday 03 May 2008 6:08:55 am ss wrote:
> This is not just a problem of the Chinese language,
Replying to my own post.
As a long term strategy, India really should be investing a lot more in the
study of Chinese and some other languages - especially Spanish (which should
easy)
I believe t
On Friday 02 May 2008 8:46:07 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> There's always a problem with generalizing from a small sample[1].
No Udhay. These one off examples also fall into the category of generalizing
from a small sample.
The question is, can you live in Bangalore, or Delhi or Mumbai, in any pl
>
> For years - for many decades, Indians have been surprised by Chinese
> > speaking to them in fluent Hindi. Someone wrote about it in the press
> > recently - a Chinese immigration officer welcoming a tourist in Hindi.
> >
> > But the opposite is not happening to a very great extent - i.e. Ind
ss wrote, [on 5/2/2008 8:35 PM]:
For years - for many decades, Indians have been surprised by Chinese speaking
to them in fluent Hindi. Someone wrote about it in the press recently - a
Chinese immigration officer welcoming a tourist in Hindi.
But the opposite is not happening to a very great
On Friday 02 May 2008 7:45:01 am Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> I'm interested in the China/India dynamic in community building, and I
> wonder how that changes in the coming years as China embraces more
> English. I find the communications issues in China improving but still
> challenging, whereas in Indi
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> hey ... two interesting pieces here about "Crazy English" in China:
> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/04/28/080428fa_fact_osnos?currentPage=all
> http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/li-yang-and-crazy-english-crazy-like-a-fox/
> I'
hey ... two interesting pieces here about "Crazy English" in China:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/04/28/080428fa_fact_osnos?currentPage=all
http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/li-yang-and-crazy-english-crazy-like-a-fox/
I'm interested in the China/India dynamic in community buildi
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