Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-13 Thread Dave Long
The key to living in a city and peacefully co-existing as a social animal in tight quarters is to set a delicate balance of seeing and not seeing. You take care not to step on the heels of the woman in front of you on the way out of the subway, and you might take passing note of her most

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Anish Mohammed
Hi Udhay, that was an interesting one...but it is creeping in on us. I am bit of pessimist, a few years back I had, had a chance to meet with Richard Hunter author of World Without Secrets: Business, Crime and Privacy in the Age of Ubiquitous Computing he painted a very bleak picture :-(. His

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread ashok _
I have heard the same reasoning for a burqah from different muslim women On 6/12/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: course, but that's only the rubric. The real reason to wear the mask is to spare others the discomfort of seeing your facial expression, to make your face into a

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 02:20:05PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 03:17:06PM +0300, ashok _ wrote: I have heard the same reasoning for a burqah from different muslim women If things continue to deteriorate, I'm going to order me a Guy Fawkes mask. After a while,

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Eugen Leitl wrote: [ on 06:18 PM 6/12/2007 ] After a while, even a full-body robe, whole-head mask and stones in your shoe won't suffice, though. But that's okay, by that time anyone will be using telepresence, driven via a mix cascade. That infrastructure needs energy to run, and someone

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Eugen Leitl wrote: If our Ops/J ratio is horrible, it's because we're not doing things right. We're a long way from KT ln 2, and even that is not really a hard limit. I don't usually say this, but that waay over my head! I would love to learn more, though. I'm running two nodes, and so

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 08:36:30PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: You'd still need [pseudo]random delays to foil traffic analysis, no? I don't think you can do that with more or less realtime communication. It would do quite well for canned voice, or email/IM type of interactive but not realtime

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Anish Mohammed
shameless plug ...a bit of work i did on mix/onion routing with another member of our group ( ISG) a while back...ppt http://www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/~ppai195/PhDSem/Mix_Networks.pdf On 6/12/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: If our Ops/J ratio is horrible, it's because

Re: [silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-12 Thread Biju Chacko
On 6/12/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: If our Ops/J ratio is horrible, it's because we're not doing things right. We're a long way from KT ln 2, and even that is not really a hard limit. I don't usually say this, but that waay over my head! I would love to

[silk] Forbes editorial on the future of urban surveillance

2007-06-11 Thread Udhay Shankar N
From Cory. Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:25:19 -0700 From: Cory Doctorow [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forbes just put together an excellent package on the 21st century city, including my editorial about the future of urban surveillance,