Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-23 Thread Marshall Dudley
I suspect the difference is that for LV a large electode area is used, giving a fairly linear voltage gradient from one electrode to the other, but for HVAC I use only about .1" of 14 gauge wire, so a much larger portion of the emf is in the vicinity of the electrode. I believe that could probably

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-23 Thread Robert L. Berger
Marshall; When I did the work for my polarity switching generator I tried time intervals from 12 sec, 24 sec, 48 sec, 60 sec, and 90 sec. It 12 sec. X 12 sec. switching it took "forever" to get any measureable PPM. I choose 60 X 60 as the bewt compromise. "Ole Bob" Marshall Dudley wrote: > Not

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-23 Thread Marshall Dudley
russ e rosser wrote: > Marshall, > > > ...the voltage gradient will move the charged silver > > particles > > from the higher density area around the anode to the lower density > > area. > > Is this the only desirable effect of higher voltage, so that stirring can > completely obviate the need for

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-21 Thread russ e rosser
Marshall, > ...the voltage gradient will move the charged silver > particles > from the higher density area around the anode to the lower density > area. Is this the only desirable effect of higher voltage, so that stirring can completely obviate the need for higher V, and minimize water ioniz

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-21 Thread Ivan Anderson
- From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Saturday, 21 October 2000 04:33 Subject: Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > Marshall, > > > > Thanks, I see what you mean. But I am still a bit confused. > > You say that in order compare two vari

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
For the flow through process the initial impedence of the water is irrelevent as long as it is significantly high. Once you are running, what is in the chamber is CS not DW. Impedence becomes a function of temperature, flow rate (which shifts the ppm), electrode spacing and electrode exposure. F

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator/High Voltage BRS

2000-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
The generator I use, except I have modified so the liquid enters the chamber at the bottom and exits at the top, the photo is opposite. I have complete cad drawings if you want to get one made. Marshall <>

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator/High Voltage BRS

2000-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
Duncan Crow wrote: > Now, by making the water flow instead of batching and stirring it I will get > higher impedence, and higher yet when I start using distilled.(less current > too) I'll fiddle with it and keep the electrodes a fair bit apart by cowling > them in glass or perhaps plastic pipe. I

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
Ivan Anderson wrote: > Marshall, > > Thanks, I see what you mean. But I am still a bit confused. > You say that in order compare two variables you must hold one constant > whilst varying the other. But unless I am mistaken you cannot vary > voltage without the compensating variation in current, in

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-20 Thread Ivan Anderson
uot;Duncan Crow" To: Sent: Friday, 20 October 2000 18:44 Subject: Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator > Hi Ivan, Marshall, Bob, Roger, > > (BTW I actually get nearly 2 qt per 3 minutes with RO water 1.8 liters). And > it seems strong. Will test after I tinker. > > Perhaps s

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-19 Thread Duncan Crow
Hi Ivan, Marshall, Bob, Roger, (BTW I actually get nearly 2 qt per 3 minutes with RO water 1.8 liters). And it seems strong. Will test after I tinker. Perhaps someone knows about what kind of impedence distilled water has. I'd like to get the on-demand or continuous-flow prototype fairly close

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator/High Voltage BRS

2000-10-19 Thread Duncan Crow
Hi Harvey; Despite the danger I had to try the method with the microwave..It seemed so simple, so obvious a move to recycle it. Yes, the batch method warms the water but there's no crud on the electrodes or any precipitate. You know this'll work. Just for interest's sake, I'm using a 5 3/4" x 1

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-19 Thread Ivan Anderson
To: Sent: Friday, 20 October 2000 13:53 Subject: Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > > What do you mean Marshall? > > Particle size increases with current density...agreed. > > Voltage influences particle size by way of altering current densit

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator/High Voltage BRS

2000-10-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
harvey norris wrote: > > I use 10 KV (AC) at 100 to 125 mA > Is this 100 ma on the output side??? The would be 8 or > 9 amps consumption from the 120 volt AC wall supply. > Are you using NST's in parallel? > Yes 4 15 KV units in parallel. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
Ivan Anderson wrote: > > What do you mean Marshall? > Particle size increases with current density...agreed. > Voltage influences particle size by way of altering current density? > > Ivan. No, when comparing the two you have to hold one constant to determine the effect of the other. What happen

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator/High Voltage BRS

2000-10-19 Thread harvey norris
--- Marshall Dudley wrote: > Steve & Jackie Young wrote: > > > I also don't understand how his proposed method > will make fine quality small > > sized colloids. If high PPM are generated in only > 3 minutes, than an awful > > lot of current (several hundred milliamps?) was > used which likely

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-19 Thread Ivan Anderson
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" > > Particle size goes up with current, down with voltage. If you assume that they > are both linear (which they probably are not, but for simplicity sake), then if > we assume that at 9 volts 1 mA is good, then at 5,000 volts then slightly ov

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-19 Thread Robert L. Berger
Steve; AN EXCELLENT ANSWER. "Ole Bob" Retired electrical engineer with High voltage experienc. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-dig

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-19 Thread Marshall Dudley
Steve & Jackie Young wrote: > I also don't understand how his proposed method will make fine quality small > sized colloids. If high PPM are generated in only 3 minutes, than an awful > lot of current (several hundred milliamps?) was used which likely will > result in large particles. Particle s

Re: CS>DANGEROUS generator

2000-10-18 Thread Steve & Jackie Young
List, I have read this list long enough to know most contributers and lurkers are not scientists and certainly not high voltage technicians. What Duncan proposes is potentially LETHAL and can quickly KILL YOU! The output from the microwave oven power supply is DEADLY, being thousands of volts at