Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Teri Johnston
At 12:19 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote: I take issue with this, as my dog and many I know are vegan, and do very well on the diet, which includes some raw veges. Dogs seem to be like people in that they can adapt to a their environment to a great degree. They may adapt and survive but it is good

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Clayton Family
Where do you think all those nutrients in meat to come from? They ALL come from vegetables. The meat you are feeding those dogs is made from vegetarians animals, who have synthesized all of it from the vegetable foods they eat. ALL nutrition comes from the vegetable kingdom ultimately. It

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Marshall Dudley
Teri Johnston wrote: At 12:19 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote: I take issue with this, as my dog and many I know are vegan, and do very well on the diet, which includes some raw veges. Dogs seem to be like people in that they can adapt to a their environment to a great degree. They may adapt and

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Barbara
Thank you Teri, I'm of the same opinion. It is terrible to force a carnivorous animals to live on plant matter. It is a form of abuse. Barbara They may adapt and survive but it is good healthy nutrition?? Dogs are carnivores. In a perfect world those who do as you do and feed a vegan

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Clayton Family
Maybe that is why my dog eats dried up rabbit dung along with her other salad greens out in the yard. On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: The page at http://dogsobediencetraining.com/info/learn_dog_wiki.htm makes a good point. Although canines are carnivores, in the

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Clayton Family
Do you realize you have just accused me of abusing my dear beloved pet, just because I have come to a different conclusion than you have on the subject of feeding? If you have intentially done this, knowing I am not about to change my mind or opinion on the subject, then you are guilty of

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Barbara
Contrary to the popular belief, wolves do not eat the contents of the large prey's stomachs. And dogs are subspecies of wolves. According to Dr. David Mech who spent several decades studying wolves and is world authority on them, they open the stomach, shake the contents out and eat just the

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Day Sutton
I suspect it came from the Animal Planet shows about lions and large cats, who do prefer the stomach and contents. The entrals included. the pride leader (usually grandpa) gets first shot at the entrals... On 8/10/07, Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Contrary to the popular belief,

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Barbara
If I could have my way, I would ORDER everyone to feed the dogs, cats and ferrets with the diet that is appropriate for carnivores that they are. That's how sure I am of what is a best nutrition for them. Yes, we all are animals and we all had to pass (or fail in the case of extinctions) the

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Barbara
Lions and all cats large and small do not even eat an empty stomach! They neatly cut the stomach out of the prey body and take it aside. They are more fussy than wolves. The pride leader is a female, not a male. The males' reign is usually short lived, two or three years and are then

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Teri Johnston
Kathryn, You can feed what you choose to that is your right. But common sense dictates a carnivores ideal diet would be meats and bones. It is really a shame that you refuse to believe that the way your are feeding your dog could be harmful. The current crop of kids here in the US are

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-10 Thread Carlos P�rez
@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.Minimizing cost Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:19:34 -0500 Kathryn, You can feed what you choose to that is your right. But common sense dictates a carnivores ideal diet would be meats and bones. It is really a shame

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-09 Thread Teri Johnston
Brooks, I had a similar thing happen with one of my girls when we made the switch from Nutro dog food over to feeding raw. Now at that time I was feeding raw chicken and a small amount of veggies. Giving fish oil and vit. E as supplements. My 12 yr old Welshie had a breast tumor the

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-09 Thread Brooks Bradley
pathogenic, parasitic and toxic insults. Lacking this ability, it would be fruitless to give them substances similar! to kelp meal. Thank you for your commentary. Brooks. br> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost D

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-09 Thread Barbara
Hi Brooks, I agree with what you said but also want to point out that there is nothing in the plant matter that the dogs can not get in meat, bones and organs. Meat, bones and organ meats are the complete nutrition that dogs need to thrive. Barbara Hello Barbara, Your observations

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-09 Thread Clayton Family
I take issue with this, as my dog and many I know are vegan, and do very well on the diet, which includes some raw veges. Dogs seem to be like people in that they can adapt to a their environment to a great degree. On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Barbara wrote: Hi Brooks,   I agree with what

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-09 Thread Clayton Family
: CSMaximizing Dog Health.Minimizing cost Date : Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:26:31 -0400 From : Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com To : silver-list@eskimo.com I have four Chihuahuas and I feed 100% raw diet since 1998. Your adding the real food to your dogs diet is great but I will say that adding

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-09 Thread Barbara
Your dog is not a vegan, your dog is being forced to be a vegan. Your dog just like my dogs is a carnivore. Unfortunately for your dog it is at your mercy. Would you feed a horse steaks and red meat? To deprive the dog of the proper diet is just as bad as forcing a horse or a cow to eat

CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-08 Thread Brooks Bradley
Having undertaken a nutritional program based upon the Raw Food and Bones general concept.for our Orphaned Dog Program population, about five years ago, we have attempted to maximize nutrition while holding the direct food expenditures to the lowest acceptable level. I believe

Re: CSMaximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

2007-08-08 Thread Barbara
I have four Chihuahuas and I feed 100% raw diet since 1998. Your adding the real food to your dogs diet is great but I will say that adding cooked oatmeal is not necessary because they already have the carbs in kibble. Dogs being carnivores have no need for carbohydrates at all. Libby's