Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> I haven't found microcode sources or listings for the 750, 730, >>> MicroVAX I, or 8600, for example. >> >>FWIW, the 725/730 was somewhat unique in that the micro store was >> entirely RAM. All of the microcode was loaded by the CFE

Re: [Simh] More VAX 11/750 Testing

2015-07-08 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Henry Bent wrote: > Now for a new 11/750 issue: Ultrix 1.1. Interesting puzzle. My first Ultrix was 1.1 on an 11/730 (I had prior experience with 4BSD on an 11/750) > Now, with the most recent fix, that turns out not to be the > case. The kernel loads but stops

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Sean O'Banion
STABACK for the 730 was 3 or 4 TU58s, with the command parse table on the last tape, When I typed BACUP, it would spend about 5 minutes running the tape forward and rewinding until it concluded there was no such command… After the TU80 was added, I could boot from the RL02 and backup the R80 to t

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Robert Armstrong
>Even thinking of being absolutely dependent on a TU58 to even start the > machine is bad. Not to mention slow... Just don't turn it off :-) Bob ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-09 02:16, Robert G. Schaffrath wrote: On Jul 8, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-07-09 01:57, Robert Armstrong wrote: I haven't found microcode sources or listings for the 750, 730, MicroVAX I, or 8600, for example. FWIW, the 725/730 was somewhat unique in th

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-09 01:57, Robert Armstrong wrote: I haven't found microcode sources or listings for the 750, 730, MicroVAX I, or 8600, for example. FWIW, the 725/730 was somewhat unique in that the micro store was entirely RAM. All of the microcode was loaded by the CFE at power on and none was

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Robert Armstrong
>I haven't found microcode sources or listings for the 750, 730, > MicroVAX I, or 8600, for example. FWIW, the 725/730 was somewhat unique in that the micro store was entirely RAM. All of the microcode was loaded by the CFE at power on and none was in ROM. Also, the 730 micro engine was bas

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Clem cole
Sent from my handheld. More typos likely which is quite a thought. > On Jul 8, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > Vectors? What you add to an architecture just before you give up on it. > Rigel and the 9000 supported VAX vectors. Alpha had them on its roadmap for > Ev8 before it

[Simh] More VAX 11/750 Testing

2015-07-08 Thread Henry Bent
First of all, thank you very much to Mark for finding and fixing the uba problem with the 750. Glad that modern Ultrix now works on that simulator. Now for a new 11/750 issue: Ultrix 1.1. Before the most recent fix it didn't even attempt to boot, and I just figured that bootloader/OS support was

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Timothe Litt
On 08-Jul-15 17:39, Bob Supnik wrote: > The 780 and 3900 between them cover the complete history of VAX/VMS, > Ultrix, and all the BSD variants. Except for the VAX vector instructions... which GEM/Fortran knew about. As did the Digital Extended Math library (done by my group). But not much else

Re: [Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-08 23:39, Bob Supnik wrote: First, congratulations to Mark for running the current Ultrix 750 problem to earth. Second, a brief diatribe about the need for fidelity to the hardware in the VAX simulators, which is (on the face of it) lacking outside the 3900 and 780 simulators. I have

Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

2015-07-08 Thread Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
OK. Consider this: 1) A standalone vax/vms system won’t usefully need to run DECnet or any cluster stuff. 2) From what you describe you don’t really need to talk between the simh VAX instance and the host centos system. Given these, you can configure the VMS environment to ONLY have

Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

2015-07-08 Thread Bill Deegan
Trying to run vax/vms under simh on centos (or RHEL) 6.6 Migrating some applications from a physical vax. Minimally be able to Telnet into the system from another system. Maybe ftp in/out. -Bill On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm < m...@infocomm.com> wrote: > Bill, > > >

[Simh] Hardware fidelity in the VAX family simulators

2015-07-08 Thread Bob Supnik
First, congratulations to Mark for running the current Ultrix 750 problem to earth. Second, a brief diatribe about the need for fidelity to the hardware in the VAX simulators, which is (on the face of it) lacking outside the 3900 and 780 simulators. I have preached and documented the need fo

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator.

2015-07-08 Thread Mattis Lind
2015-07-08 20:33 GMT+02:00 Ethan Dicks : > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Clem Cole wrote: > >> > Definitely try a different disk. UNIX device drivers do not use the > >> > hardware the same way that VMS drivers do. > >> > > > My words, I think... > > >> The VAX 750 UBA Buffered Data Path CSRs

Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

2015-07-08 Thread Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
Bill, What EXACTLY are you trying to do? What are you trying to do with the VAX/VMS system? What is the host OS the simh instance is running under? -Mark From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Bill Deegan Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM To: bill...@bu

Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

2015-07-08 Thread Bill Deegan
Yup. Correct IP. I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from the MAC address that VMS changes to. -Bill On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan wrote: > Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution. Forgetting about > NAT, confirm you have the correc

Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

2015-07-08 Thread B Degnan
Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution. Forgetting about NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first. If you don't use Amazon a lot it's confusing. (was to me). b Original Message > From: "Bill Deegan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03

Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

2015-07-08 Thread Bill Deegan
Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT? -Bill On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Has anyone had

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator.

2015-07-08 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Clem Cole wrote: >> > Definitely try a different disk. UNIX device drivers do not use the >> > hardware the same way that VMS drivers do. >> > My words, I think... >> The VAX 750 UBA Buffered Data Path CSRs hadn't been implemented in the >> original VAX 750 simul

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator.

2015-07-08 Thread Clem Cole
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm < m...@infocomm.com> wrote: > > Definitely try a different disk. UNIX device drivers do not use the > hardware > > the same way that VMS drivers do. > > This is certainly true! > ​Amen​ > ​...​ > > > The VAX 750 UBA Buffered Data

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator.

2015-07-08 Thread Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
The latest simh code at on github now will run Ultrix on the VAX750 simulator! On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Henry Bent wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Henry Bent wrote: > > Out of curiosity I tried Ultrix 4.3 and 4.5 on the /750, both with > > genvmunix and a custom kernel, and

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator.

2015-07-08 Thread Clem Cole
Forgotten that paper. Those are not the only authors of the subsystem BTW. Just those that wrote the paper :-) In a where are they now ... David S. Blickstein - left Intel about 6 years ago and moved to Colorado to be a Volleyball instructor I heard; Peter W. Craig - I've lost track where he

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator.

2015-07-08 Thread Armistead, Jason BIS
Out of curiosity, I did a bit of Googling, and found a link to the following Digital Technical Journal article from 1992 that explains GEM in detail. It also gives the biographies of a number of the key players involved with GEM – I wonder how many Clem still has sitting in his office these day

Re: [Simh] Booting the vax750 simulator

2015-07-08 Thread Mattis Lind
2015-07-07 20:42 GMT+02:00 Bill Cunningham : > [...] > > > > This kernel I built was only microvax II and VAX-11/750 so it won't > directly boot on a 11/780 nor a VAX8600. But if I add a line CPU > "VAX780" and CPU"VAX8600" it boots on both. > > > > But still no-go on vax750. I even tried t