[Simh] Now some DZ/terminal questions

2017-03-09 Thread Warren Toomey
Hi all, thanks for your help with my earlier questions. I'd like to set up several vax780 instances and run uucp (over TCP) between them using one or more of the simulated DZ lines. But I want to use the remaining DZ lines for logins. Is there a way to set some DZ lines into 8-bit mode but keep t

Re: [Simh] Now some DZ/terminal questions

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
Warren, We can take this offline. The quick answer is as far as simh is concerned leave everything as 8 bits. I'll show you how to make the rest work properly. The logins will run 8 bits also, but will run with parity enabled which BSD will handle just peachy. Also, as I mentioned independentl

Re: [Simh] Now some DZ/terminal questions

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Warren Toomey wrote: > Is there a way to set bind some (but not all) DZ lines to localhost port X, > and some (but not all) DZ lines to any address port Y (or X, doesn't matter)? > I want to make the uucp DZ TCP ports visible on the Internet, but set the > nor

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Tim Stark
Folks, Hmm. I checked TOPS-10 7.04 monitor source codes and found two files about SCS/SCA packet info but did not find any files about CI interface. I think TOPS-10 can communicate through DECnet. I think that transport layers are SCS/SCA layers. There is commercial emulator (Charon-VAX) em

Re: [Simh] HSC vs UDA/QDA

2017-03-09 Thread Tim Stark
Hmm. How to use LAVC for clustering? Thanks, Tim -Original Message- From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Paul Koning Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:27 PM To: Johnny Billquist Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] HSC vs UDA/QDA I think the significa

Re: [Simh] HSC vs UDA/QDA

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2017-03-09 02:26, Paul Koning wrote: > > > >> On Mar 8, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> > >> On 2017-03-08 22:15, Bob Supnik wrote: > >>> The HSC family offered a superset of capabilities compared to the > >>> UDA

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Timothe Litt
The CI interface is the KLIPA. Its a KL10-only device that sits in an RH20 channel slot. It uses a port architecture similar to the CI780, with queues and 36-bit pointers in physical memory. It's supported in 7.04. With respect to an earlier question about CI emulation: The best approach may b

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > .. > With respect to an earlier question about CI emulation: The best approach > may be to emulate it as multicast ethernet. Setup a couple of groups for > each star coupler. Each coupler supports up to 32 nodes. For VMS, half o > the

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
It looks that way..., but I need some help from Bob or Mark on VH history, That was developed at DEC during the period I was off doing Masscomp/Stellar et al. During my time earlier time with PDP11 and Vaxen, you used DEC DZ's or DEC DH's or Able DHDM's. As I understand it, DVH was the mid 1

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Johnny Eriksson
> I don't think DECnet ever supported CI. It certainly doesn't show > up in the DECnet architecture specs anywhere. From the tops world, DNADLL.MAC, common to tops-10 and tops-20: IFN FTOPS10,< FTCI==0 ;Don't support CI20 circuits FTDDP==FTNET;Su

Re: [Simh] HSC vs UDA/QDA

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
If you configure ethernet, I'd expect that would "just work". Not being a VMS user I haven't tried this. paul > On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Tim Stark wrote: > > Hmm. How to use LAVC for clustering? > > Thanks, > Tim ___ Simh mailing list

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Timothe Litt
I don't have time to dig up the details. But TOPS-10/20 definitely supported the CI. It turned out not to be used much since IIRC despite the high wire speed, thruput was better on the NI. But the rationale was something like if you had CI connectivity for storage, and an NI (ethernet) issue, yo

Re: [Simh] HSC vs UDA/QDA

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
The simh VAX simulators will readily participate in LAVC clustering with other simh simulators and/or real VAX systems as long as they're all present on the same LAN. How to configure and/or manage cluster systems is described in various DEC documents with nothing special relevant to the having

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Pizzolato
You mean DHV, not DVH, right? DHV is a Qbus variant of some version of the DH11 device. A VAX 780, not having a Qbus, wouldn’t have such a device in its configuration. The addresses you see in the SHOW CONFIG output are where the simulator will respond to I/O space references. Those addresse

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017, at 10:33, Mark Pizzolato wrote: > You mean DHV, not DVH, right? DHV is a Qbus variant of some version > of the DH11 device. A VAX 780, not having a Qbus, wouldn’t have such > a device in its configuration. > > The addresses you see in the SHOW CONFIG output are wh

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Mark Pizzolato wrote: > You mean DHV, not DVH ​yes​ ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
Mark... as an FYI if it is of any help.. VH address=2013E120-2013E15F*, vector=C0-DC*, BR4, lines=64, 4 units VH0 attached to 8070, DHU mode, Modem 0 current connections VH1 DHU mode VH2 DHU mode VH3 DHU mode device dhu0at uba? csr 0160440

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 158, Issue 14

2017-03-09 Thread William Pechter
Unibus DH/DM backplane s and boards were not supported by DEC on Unibus... Does Simh support them. I did Field Service through 8650s and never saw them. DMF32s - IIRC had modem control capability on some lines or is my memory shot. Bill ___ Simh

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Cory Smelosky
Clem Cole wrote: Mark... as an FYI if it is of any help.. VH address=2013E120-2013E15F*, vector=C0-DC*, BR4, lines=64, 4 units VH0 attached to 8070, DHU mode, Modem 0 current connections VH1 DHU mode VH2 DHU mode VH3 DHU mode device dhu0at

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Al Kossow
On 3/9/17 11:18 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: >> 3. I never saw a real DEC DH on a Vax because of power and space issues. >> 4. That said, we used to mix DEC DH11s and Able DH11's on the PDP-11 >> all the time >> 5. Able DH11's were the most used serial controllers in BSD UNIX land >> for

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > device dhu0at uba? csr 0160440 vector dhurint >> >> It's been years since, I did this stuff... >> >> 1. 0160400 is 0xE120 and 0160400 certainly looks right for the >> Unibus address for a DH. >> > > I'm gettin

[Simh] VAX SDL support?

2017-03-09 Thread Sampsa Laine
Quick question - I saw SDL graphics support mentioned somewhere and wondered which emulators have graphics support? Do any of the VAX ones? Can I run native DECWindows on any of them? sampsa ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 158, Issue 14

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:16 PM, William Pechter wrote: > I did Field Service through 8650s and never saw them. DMF32s - IIRC had > modem control capability on some lines or is my memory shot. ​DMF32 and DZ had >>partial<< modem control. It was crock in both cases and did not work very well,

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 158, Issue 14

2017-03-09 Thread Clem Cole
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:16 PM, William Pechter wrote: > Unibus DH/DM backplane s and boards were not supported by DEC on Unibus... ​I assume you mean were not supported on the VAX UBA. And that would make sense.​ ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread dundas
> So ...If the DHV is supposed to the simh emulation of the combination of a > DEC DH11 and DM11 pair (the DM11 was the modem control option for the DH), > then this should "just work" The SIMH VH device is a simulation of the DEC DHQ device (M3107), a dual height Qbus board, normally supporting 8

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread khandy21yo
I used DHV11s on Microvax II when they we're real hardware. Worked fine under VMS.  I imagine DH11 wasn't different enough for them to not work on unibus. Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Clem Cole Date: 3/9/17 12:13 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Pizzolato Cc: SI

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 158, Issue 14

2017-03-09 Thread William Pechter
There were 3rd party Unibus to Qbus converters that would handle the signal Mux/decus issues on the bus lines. I never saw any on 11/780 class boxes. Crappy UBA was slow. Most were used to put Unibus peripherals on Qbus Vaxes. Bill -Original Message- From: Clem Cole To: William Pec

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, dun...@caltech.edu wrote: > >> So ...If the DHV is supposed to the simh emulation of the combination of a >> DEC DH11 and DM11 pair (the DM11 was the modem control option for the DH), >> then this should "just work" > > The SIMH VH device is a simulation of the DEC

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > I don't have time to dig up the details. But TOPS-10/20 definitely supported > the CI. Interesting. That sounds like a product-specific item rather than part of the standard architecture. paul

Re: [Simh] Now some DZ/terminal questions

2017-03-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
Clem... On 2017-03-09 15:58, Clem Cole wrote: Warren, We can take this offline. The quick answer is as far as simh is concerned leave everything as 8 bits. I'll show you how to make the rest work properly. The logins will run 8 bits also, but will run with parity enabled which BSD will handl

Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

2017-03-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-09 19:09, Clem Cole wrote: It looks that way..., but I need some help from Bob or Mark on VH history, That was developed at DEC during the period I was off doing Masscomp/Stellar et al. During my time earlier time with PDP11 and Vaxen, you used DEC DZ's or DEC DH's or Able DHDM's.

Re: [Simh] CI750 tech docs and VAX firmware

2017-03-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-09 19:00, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: .. With respect to an earlier question about CI emulation: The best approach may be to emulate it as multicast ethernet. Setup a couple of groups for each star coupler. Each coupler supports up to 32

Re: [Simh] HSC vs UDA/QDA

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Mark Pizzolato wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> ... > > When Matt Burke initially was working on this, I believe that we talked > briefly > about extending sim_ether to support packet delivery across IP multicast. >

Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

2017-03-09 Thread Hittner, David T [US] (MS)
The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module cards, which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also compatible with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL for visualization. This is a native DecWindows interface. To be honest, it's just

[Simh] Compiling simh on an Android using Termux

2017-03-09 Thread Ray Jewhurst
IIRC, someone successfully compiled simh on Android using the Termux shell. I really don't want to root my tablet and will be without my computer for a week or so, so I thought I would play around with some OS configurations, brush up on my PDP-11 assembly etc. Anyways I am not good with Linux mak

Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) > wrote: > > The Qbus-based VAXen support the QVSS (black-n-white) video module cards, > which were the basis of the original VaxStation I and were also compatible > with VaxStation II's, III's, and 4000's. The SIMH QVSS uses SDL for >

Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

2017-03-09 Thread Ray Jewhurst
I've seen references to VAXwindows. I know it predates VMS 5 but I am not sure if it was a layered product or not. There is also a very primitive window system for P/OS on the DECPro called Synergy (which I would love to find documentation for) that you could control with either the keyboard or t

Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

2017-03-09 Thread Ray Jewhurst
I've seen references to VAXwindows. I know it predates VMS 5 but I am not sure if it was a layered product or not. There is also a very primitive window system for P/OS on the DECPro called Synergy (which I would love to find documentation for) that you could control with either the keyboard or t

[Simh] VAX 82x0/83x0 and VAX 66x0 tech docs (and VAXBI docs)

2017-03-09 Thread Tim Stark
Folks, I found a few technical reference manuals (KA820/KA825 and VAX 6200 and 6600 series) through google search, etc. I reviewed KA820/KA825 (VAX 82x0/83x0) tech docs and it does not use SRM firmware like KA780/KA865 processors. It uses VAXBI interface for I/O devices. I think that it ca

[Simh] VAX MP (was: RE: HSC vs UDA/QDA)

2017-03-09 Thread Tim Stark
Thanks. I reviewed Sergey’s page and learned something. Also, I noticed that you developed VAX MP emulator. I found his emulator on github and downloaded it. Also, there is another emulator called “TurboVAX” emulator for VAX MP. I already have plans to implement threads into my MSE emul

Re: [Simh] EXT : VAX SDL support?

2017-03-09 Thread Jeremy Begg
Hi, >I've seen references to VAXwindows. I know it predates VMS 5 but I am not >sure if it was a layered product or not. VAXwindows was a layered product (like just about everything DEC sold for VMS). Without it a VAXstation of that era wouldn't be very user friendly, but it would boot happily