Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Tim Stark
Bob, Yeah. Please let us know they are available for downloads. I still need them. Thanks, Tim -Original Message- From: Robert Armstrong [mailto:b...@jfcl.com] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 5:44 PM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Cc: 'Tim Stark' Subject: RE: [Simh] VAX 8200 I fired up

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread khandy21yo
It's also fun if they install a tape into the tk50 drive with the info pamphlet that they always shipped with them. It couldn't retract the tape, and you couldn't pull the paper out because of the tight fit. Time to disassemble the drive, again. Sent from my Galaxy TabĀ® A Original mes

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-17 19:35, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: Looking at what images I can find on the web, TU-80 seems correct. The one we had was just generally flaky, I guess. It was 1600 bpi, 2400 foot tapes, yes. 1600 bpi would definitely be the TU80 then. The MicroVAX we added later came with a TK-50 t

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-03-17 18:23, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 17, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: Gary Lee Phillips schreef op 17-3-2017 om 16:54: Ethan Dicks mailto:ethan.di...@gmail.com>> wrote: That's earlier than is possible... the model was introduced in Jan, 1986. Don't know date of first s

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Robert Armstrong
I fired up the 8350 today and (amazingly!) it still works. Sadly some of my disk drives are not so well off, but I was still able to boot it. I've imaged the console RX50, which is an RT11 file system, and the two diagnostic floppies ("DIAG SUPER" and "UTIL"). Those last two are in Files-11

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Rich Alderson wrote: >> From: Ethan Dicks >> 2400' tapes (1.5mil thickness) were standard but sometime later, thinner (1.0 >> mil?) 3600' tapes came out. > At LOTS (the Stanford academic computing facility where I worked from > 1984-91), > we did nightly increme

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Rich Alderson
> From: Ethan Dicks > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:21:54 -0400 > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Gary Lee Phillips > wrote: >> Looking at what images I can find on the web, TU-80 seems correct. The one >> we had was just generally flaky, I guess. It was 1600 bpi, 2400 foot tapes, >> yes. > 2400

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > Looking at what images I can find on the web, TU-80 seems correct. The one > we had was just generally flaky, I guess. It was 1600 bpi, 2400 foot tapes, > yes. 2400' tapes (1.5mil thickness) were standard but sometime later, thinner (1.0

Re: [Simh] VAX 730 Console Tapes [was: VAX 8200]

2017-03-17 Thread Dave L
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:01:51 -, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2017-03-16 23:01, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote: What I started with, though, was managing 11/730s in the mid-80s and was optimizing the order of files on the console tape to be in the order they were requested, so a 30-min

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
Looking at what images I can find on the web, TU-80 seems correct. The one we had was just generally flaky, I guess. It was 1600 bpi, 2400 foot tapes, yes. The MicroVAX we added later came with a TK-50 that never had any problems. That came in when a second unrelated project was added that require

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >>> The tape drive was not TK50. It was standard reel to reel media, horizontal >>> like an studio audio tape deck, with a cover that had to be lifted in order >>> to use it. The disk drive was housed in the same cabinet in a drawer below >>>

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread khandy21yo
TSV05 or the unibus versions. Sent from my Galaxy TabĀ® A Original message From: Paul Koning Date: 3/17/17 11:23 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Wilm Boerhout Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] VAX 8200 > On Mar 17, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: > > Gary Lee Phil

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Timothe Litt
On 17-Mar-17 13:23, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Mar 17, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: >> >> Gary Lee Phillips schreef op 17-3-2017 om 16:54: >>> Ethan Dicks mailto:ethan.di...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> That's earlier than is possible... the model was introduced in Jan, 1986. Don't k

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > ... > In any case, the issue I had was that the particular drive on the 8200 would > not read back tapes written even by itself. We used it only for backups from > the hard drive. DEC support was called in several times to adjust, calib

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: > > Gary Lee Phillips schreef op 17-3-2017 om 16:54: >> Ethan Dicks mailto:ethan.di...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >That's earlier than is possible... the model was introduced in Jan, >> >1986. Don't know date of first ship. >> >> Well I did sa

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Wilm Boerhout
Paul Koning schreef op 17-3-2017 om 17:05: [snip] More in general, if drive B wont' read tapes written by drive A, the fault could be at either end (or both). It could even be in the standard -- all too many standards, for example a whole lot of modern network protocol standards, permit implem

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Wilm Boerhout
Gary Lee Phillips schreef op 17-3-2017 om 16:54: Ethan Dicks mailto:ethan.di...@gmail.com>> wrote: >That's earlier than is possible... the model was introduced in Jan, >1986. Don't know date of first ship. Well I did say "around 1985 or so." After 30+ years, I'd say that was a pretty close gu

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > FWIW, I just saw a comment that some IBM systems (early 360, perhaps) had > a habit of inserting short gaps into the middle of tape records because of > memory latency issues. Apparently IBM's drives could read such stuff but > other peopl

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > > ... > The tape drive was not TK50. It was standard reel to reel media, horizontal > like an studio audio tape deck, with a cover that had to be lifted in order > to use it. The disk drive was housed in the same cabinet in a drawer be

Re: [Simh] VAX 8200

2017-03-17 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
Ethan Dicks wrote: >That's earlier than is possible... the model was introduced in Jan, >1986. Don't know date of first ship. Well I did say "around 1985 or so." After 30+ years, I'd say that was a pretty close guess. The tape drive was not TK50. It was standard reel to reel media, horizontal