Richard - Let me know when you have the KL simulator running. I did get Tops-10 running on simh on my mac. I am eager to run TOPS-20 again.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 6:01 PM <simh-requ...@trailing-edge.com> wrote: > Send Simh mailing list submissions to > simh@trailing-edge.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > simh-requ...@trailing-edge.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > simh-ow...@trailing-edge.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Simh digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Tops-20 4.1 on simh PDP-10: trouble during install (Tom Russo) > 2. load (Kevin Handy) > 3. Re: Tops-20 4.1 on simh PDP-10: trouble during install > (Richard Cornwell) > 4. Re: load (Paul Koning) > 5. Re: Tops-20 4.1 on simh PDP-10: trouble during install > (Tom Russo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:03:03 -0700 > From: Tom Russo <ru...@bogodyn.org> > To: simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: [Simh] Tops-20 4.1 on simh PDP-10: trouble during install > Message-ID: <20200124230303.ga49...@bogodyn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm a new simh user, and have mostly been using it to relive my youth > on PDP-11s. But I also had played with TOPS-20 back in those misspent > days, and wanted to see if I could have my own, fully realizing that > SIMH can't run later versions of TOPS-20 because it simulates a KS10. > Still, I am having trouble getting past the first few steps of the install. > > I am starting from the install document at > > http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/V4.1_Feb83/AA-P346A-TM_KS_Install_4.1_Feb83.pdf > > I have downloaded the install tape from > > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/bb-d867e-bm_tops20_v41_2020_instl.tap.bz2 > > I use this "install.ini" file (cribbed from > https://gunkies.org/wiki/Running_TOPS-20_V4.1_under_SIMH): > > set cpu tops-20 > d wru 006 > att tu bb-d867e-bm_tops20_v41_2020_instl.tap > set rp rp06 > att rp t20.dsk > boot tu > > at which point I'm greeted with the expected MTBOOT> prompt. I then do: > > > MTBOOT> /L > MTBOOT> /G143 > > and basically say Y to all the questions: > [FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TYPE "?" TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.] > > DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE THE FILE SYSTEM ON THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE? Y > > DO YOU WANT TO DEFINE THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE? Y > > HOW MANY PACKS ARE IN THIS STRUCTURE: 1 > > ON WHICH "CHANNEL,UNIT" IS LOGICAL PACK # 0 MOUNTED: 0,0 > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SWAPPING SPACE? Y > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SIZE FRONT END FILE SYSTEM? Y > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SIZE BOOTSTRAP AREA? Y > > [STRUCTURE "PS" SUCCESSFULLY DEFINED] > > [PS MOUNTED] > ?PS UNIT 0 HAS NO BAT BLOCKS. > DO YOU WANT TO WRITE A SET OF PROTOTYPE BAT BLOCKS? Y > > %%NO SETSPD > > System restarting, wait... > > > At this point, the simulator just sits there for hours, never giving the > date/time question the installation guide says I should get next. It does > seem that the install process has at least initialized the disk image, and > if > I reboot and tell it to skip all of those filesystem initialization steps, > it blasts right to the %%NO SETSPD and "System restarting" steps, whereupon > it hangs again. > > I'm running simh off of today's current git master branch. I have compiled > it both on FreeBSD and on Ubuntu 16.04 with identical results (so I am not > assuming it's just a FreeBSD incompatibility issue). > > > I see plenty of old references to running TOPS-20 4.1 on SIMH, and no > such references to this apparent hanging of the simulator at a very > early stage in installation. Has anybody got this running? Am I missing > something blindingly obvious somewhere? > -- > Tom Russo KM5VY > Tijeras, NM > > echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] > [n-z][a-m] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:26:46 -0700 > From: Kevin Handy <khandy2...@gmail.com> > To: Simh <simh@trailing-edge.com> > Subject: [Simh] load > Message-ID: > <CANk4W2MXtUen9GtS7ck4UW_tqS0KN25ANMS= > 8tqy9h_wozs...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I was watching some youtube videos about the PiDP-11, and they all seemed > to end up typing in a hand-assembled program into the emulator. > > It got me to thinking about the macro11 assembler in simtools, however > that program only appears to output object files, not binary ones. simh > appears to only accept binary filesm not object files. > > Is there some way to bridge the gap? Is there some method to bridge he gap? > marco11 to output binary files, a linker to convert object files to binary > ones, or simh to accept object files. > > For the PiDP-11 users, they could prooblbly work from a listing where a > hard-coded base address is given, but others might want to try something > that is too long to want to key it in. > > If this is already possible, some documentation on the process would be > useful. This would also make simtools more useful. > > This applies to all the other emulations that have assemblers available > also. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh/attachments/20200124/3d8d39cd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:17:09 -0500 > From: Richard Cornwell <r...@sky-visions.com> > To: simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] Tops-20 4.1 on simh PDP-10: trouble during > install > Message-ID: <20200124201709.4de093e3.r...@sky-visions.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Tom, > > While I have not tried Tops-20 on the KS10, I do have versions 2 > through 7 running on my unreleased KL10 simulator. I am still > resolving issues, I should be releasing it in a month or two. > > I think you need to hit ^C after the NO SYSJOB. > > Rich > > > I'm a new simh user, and have mostly been using it to relive my youth > > on PDP-11s. But I also had played with TOPS-20 back in those misspent > > days, and wanted to see if I could have my own, fully realizing that > > SIMH can't run later versions of TOPS-20 because it simulates a > > KS10. Still, I am having trouble getting past the first few steps of > > the install. > > > > I am starting from the install document at > > > http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/V4.1_Feb83/AA-P346A-TM_KS_Install_4.1_Feb83.pdf > > > > I have downloaded the install tape from > > > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/bb-d867e-bm_tops20_v41_2020_instl.tap.bz2 > > > > I use this "install.ini" file (cribbed from > > https://gunkies.org/wiki/Running_TOPS-20_V4.1_under_SIMH): > > > > set cpu tops-20 > > d wru 006 > > att tu bb-d867e-bm_tops20_v41_2020_instl.tap > > set rp rp06 > > att rp t20.dsk > > boot tu > > > > at which point I'm greeted with the expected MTBOOT> prompt. I then > > do: > > > > > > MTBOOT> /L > > MTBOOT> /G143 > > > > and basically say Y to all the questions: > > [FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TYPE "?" TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING > > QUESTIONS.] > > > > DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE THE FILE SYSTEM ON THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE? Y > > > > DO YOU WANT TO DEFINE THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE? Y > > > > HOW MANY PACKS ARE IN THIS STRUCTURE: 1 > > > > ON WHICH "CHANNEL,UNIT" IS LOGICAL PACK # 0 MOUNTED: 0,0 > > > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SWAPPING SPACE? Y > > > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SIZE FRONT END FILE SYSTEM? Y > > > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SIZE BOOTSTRAP AREA? Y > > > > [STRUCTURE "PS" SUCCESSFULLY DEFINED] > > > > [PS MOUNTED] > > ?PS UNIT 0 HAS NO BAT BLOCKS. > > DO YOU WANT TO WRITE A SET OF PROTOTYPE BAT BLOCKS? Y > > > > %%NO SETSPD > > > > System restarting, wait... > > > > > > At this point, the simulator just sits there for hours, never giving > > the date/time question the installation guide says I should get > > next. It does seem that the install process has at least initialized > > the disk image, and if I reboot and tell it to skip all of those > > filesystem initialization steps, it blasts right to the %%NO SETSPD > > and "System restarting" steps, whereupon it hangs again. > > > > I'm running simh off of today's current git master branch. I have > > compiled it both on FreeBSD and on Ubuntu 16.04 with identical > > results (so I am not assuming it's just a FreeBSD incompatibility > > issue). > > > > > > I see plenty of old references to running TOPS-20 4.1 on SIMH, and no > > such references to this apparent hanging of the simulator at a very > > early stage in installation. Has anybody got this running? Am I > > missing something blindingly obvious somewhere? > > > > -- > ========================================================================== > Richard Cornwell > r...@sky-visions.com > http://sky-visions.com > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-cornwell-991076107 > ========================================================================== > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:19:37 -0500 > From: Paul Koning <paulkon...@comcast.net> > To: Kevin Handy <khandy2...@gmail.com> > Cc: Simh <simh@trailing-edge.com> > Subject: Re: [Simh] load > Message-ID: <324a5be9-4a6c-4704-ac86-f4272ae4e...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > On Jan 24, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Kevin Handy <khandy2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I was watching some youtube videos about the PiDP-11, and they all > seemed to end up typing in a hand-assembled program into the emulator. > > > > It got me to thinking about the macro11 assembler in simtools, however > that program only appears to output object files, not binary ones. simh > appears to only accept binary filesm not object files. > > > > Is there some way to bridge the gap? Is there some method to bridge he > gap? marco11 to output binary files, a linker to convert object files to > binary ones, or simh to accept object files. > > > > For the PiDP-11 users, they could prooblbly work from a listing where a > hard-coded base address is given, but others might want to try something > that is too long to want to key it in. > > > > If this is already possible, some documentation on the process would be > useful. This would also make simtools more useful. > > > > This applies to all the other emulations that have assemblers available > also. > > This probably isn't quite what you're looking for, but if not it could be > tweaked. > > For running parts of the GCC test suite for the PDP11 target, I wanted to > be able to run its output on SIMH. Here is a simple Python program that > turns Unix style a.out files (the archaic PDP11 flavor rather than the > later flavor used in some other platforms) into DEC standard paper tape > binary loader files that SIMH will accept. > > paul > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: makefb.py > Type: text/x-python-script > Size: 2481 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh/attachments/20200124/d386d9d8/attachment-0001.bin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:20:59 -0700 > From: Tom Russo <ru...@bogodyn.org> > To: Richard Cornwell <r...@sky-visions.com> > Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] Tops-20 4.1 on simh PDP-10: trouble during > install > Message-ID: <20200125012059.ga55...@bogodyn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 08:17:09PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron > collision of the <r...@sky-visions.com> flavor, containing: > > Hi Tom, > > > > While I have not tried Tops-20 on the KS10, I do have versions 2 > > through 7 running on my unreleased KL10 simulator. I am still > > resolving issues, I should be releasing it in a month or two. > > That should be pretty cool. I look forward to it. > > > I think you need to hit ^C after the NO SYSJOB. > > I never get to a NO SYSJOB anywhere. It hangs right at > "System restarting, wait..." > > ^C does nothing at that stage. > > > > Rich > > > > > I'm a new simh user, and have mostly been using it to relive my youth > > > on PDP-11s. But I also had played with TOPS-20 back in those misspent > > > days, and wanted to see if I could have my own, fully realizing that > > > SIMH can't run later versions of TOPS-20 because it simulates a > > > KS10. Still, I am having trouble getting past the first few steps of > > > the install. > > > > > > I am starting from the install document at > > > > http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/V4.1_Feb83/AA-P346A-TM_KS_Install_4.1_Feb83.pdf > > > > > > I have downloaded the install tape from > > > > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/bb-d867e-bm_tops20_v41_2020_instl.tap.bz2 > > > > > > I use this "install.ini" file (cribbed from > > > https://gunkies.org/wiki/Running_TOPS-20_V4.1_under_SIMH): > > > > > > set cpu tops-20 > > > d wru 006 > > > att tu bb-d867e-bm_tops20_v41_2020_instl.tap > > > set rp rp06 > > > att rp t20.dsk > > > boot tu > > > > > > at which point I'm greeted with the expected MTBOOT> prompt. I then > > > do: > > > > > > > > > MTBOOT> /L > > > MTBOOT> /G143 > > > > > > and basically say Y to all the questions: > > > [FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TYPE "?" TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING > > > QUESTIONS.] > > > > > > DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE THE FILE SYSTEM ON THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE? Y > > > > > > DO YOU WANT TO DEFINE THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE? Y > > > > > > HOW MANY PACKS ARE IN THIS STRUCTURE: 1 > > > > > > ON WHICH "CHANNEL,UNIT" IS LOGICAL PACK # 0 MOUNTED: 0,0 > > > > > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SWAPPING SPACE? Y > > > > > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SIZE FRONT END FILE SYSTEM? Y > > > > > > DO YOU WANT THE DEFAULT SIZE BOOTSTRAP AREA? Y > > > > > > [STRUCTURE "PS" SUCCESSFULLY DEFINED] > > > > > > [PS MOUNTED] > > > ?PS UNIT 0 HAS NO BAT BLOCKS. > > > DO YOU WANT TO WRITE A SET OF PROTOTYPE BAT BLOCKS? Y > > > > > > %%NO SETSPD > > > > > > System restarting, wait... > > > > > > > > > At this point, the simulator just sits there for hours, never giving > > > the date/time question the installation guide says I should get > > > next. It does seem that the install process has at least initialized > > > the disk image, and if I reboot and tell it to skip all of those > > > filesystem initialization steps, it blasts right to the %%NO SETSPD > > > and "System restarting" steps, whereupon it hangs again. > > > > > > I'm running simh off of today's current git master branch. I have > > > compiled it both on FreeBSD and on Ubuntu 16.04 with identical > > > results (so I am not assuming it's just a FreeBSD incompatibility > > > issue). > > > > > > > > > I see plenty of old references to running TOPS-20 4.1 on SIMH, and no > > > such references to this apparent hanging of the simulator at a very > > > early stage in installation. Has anybody got this running? Am I > > > missing something blindingly obvious somewhere? > > > > > > > > -- > > > ========================================================================== > > Richard Cornwell > > r...@sky-visions.com > > http://sky-visions.com > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-cornwell-991076107 > > > ========================================================================== > > -- > Tom Russo KM5VY > Tijeras, NM > > echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] > [n-z][a-m] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > > ------------------------------ > > End of Simh Digest, Vol 192, Issue 17 > ************************************* >
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