Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Phil Budne wrote: > Rich Alderson wrote >> I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX media. It would be a labor >> of love to try to cross-compile TENEX under TOPS-20 on a Toad-2, then >> build a boot program for the KI that could read it in from disk. It seems Cory Smelosky has recently built a TE

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Cory Smelosky
Not that successful, sadly. I forget who precisely but they had a tarball containing a binary - just kept forgetting to make it known. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:05, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > Phil Budne wrote: >> Rich Alderson wrote >>> I don't think anyone has bootable TENEX

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Cornwell
Hello, I have a copy of tendmp.mac that I acquired off Saildart.org. It is in my v1.19 git repo at http://git.sky-visions.com I am currently trying to figure out why my KI10 sim will not boot TOPS10. It appears that is placing the high segment at the wrong address in SYSINI. It is

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/3/17 11:05 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >> Do KI TENEX sources exist?? > > Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34. > I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read in 2000 and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the second read is four megs longer than the first.

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Cory Smelosky
I've built TENDMP as well - just need it written to disk ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:29, Richard Cornwell wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a copy of tendmp.mac that I acquired off Saildart.org. It is > in my v1.19 git repo at http://git.sky-visions.com > > I am currently

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Cornwell
Hi Cory, > I've built TENDMP as well - just need it written to disk ;) The TENDMP I have runs stand alone. It copies Core to dectape or dectape to core. It can be placed in the first block of a dectape to boot it. Rich > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:29, Richard Cornwel

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017, at 11:35, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 1/3/17 11:05 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > >> Do KI TENEX sources exist?? > > > > Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34. > > > > I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read in > 2000 > and one in 2008. They may be th

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Al Kossow
vague memory says 'Symbolics' from Johnny's msg on cctlk -- resulted in: 0:737 000700,,670 34 0 0 33 " " 1: 21f30 00,,4174600 0 4 37 30 " " 2: 894e5ba78 422471,,335170 104 123 113 72 74 "DSK:<" 3: 8d3e7ce8a

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-03 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Al Kossow wrote: > There's going to be a bunch more old stuff in the SRI-NIC tape backlog > at CHM but I can't spend any time working on that right now. It's great knowing there's more to come! By the way, I occasionally dole out stuff I find here: https://github.com/PDP-10/ All ITS applications

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Al Kossow writes: > I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read > in 2000 and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the > second read is four megs longer than the first. I'll put them up for > a couple of days under bits/Foonly on bitsavers. I'll have a LispM

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Al Kossow writes: > Cory Smelosky wrote: >> Any ideas what the tape format is? As-is neither DUMPER nor BACKUP >> will touch it. > vague memory says 'Symbolics' > from Johnny's msg on cctlk > > -- > resulted in: >0:737 000700,,670 34 0 0 33 " " >1:

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Cory Smelosky writes: > Al Kossow wrote: >> I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read >> in 2000 and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the >> second read is four megs longer than the first. > > Any ideas what the tape format is? As-is neither DUMPER nor BA

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Cory Smelosky
That'd be exactly what I need! $dir src:<*>tapex.mid %No files match this specification - src:<*>tapex.mid Don't seem to have it on my SRC: structure populated with the SRI-NIC dump. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, at 12:23, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Cory Smelosky writes: > > Al Kossow wrote: > >> I see that

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Phil Budne
> > Do KI TENEX sources exist?? > > Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34. In May 2015, I wrote: http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh/2015-May/013479.html Many "IFN KIFLG" lines, but in pagem.mac: IFN KIFLG,< EXTERN MOVRCA,MVMRCA > Later in the file:

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Cory Smelosky wrote: > That'd be exactly what I need! > > $dir src:<*>tapex.mid > %No files match this specification - src:<*>tapex.mid > > Don't seem to have it on my SRC: structure populated with the SRI-NIC > dump. Look like there should be a PS:TAPEX.KLH.1, and also a PS:TAPEX.MID.1. Maybe we

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Al Kossow
hmmm.. looks like this is a directory from a DVD that the SU Archives has from SUMEX.AIM http://web.stanford.edu/group/htgg/cgi-bin/mediawiki/index.php?title=Adventure you could try talking to Henry to see if part of it could be released. I doubt they would give you copies of the DVD with all the

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Al Kossow
CHM has most of KLH's tapes. I'm had heard that Stanford did make an attempt at reading some of SRI's tapes but I never heard that at DVD existed On 1/4/17 1:39 PM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Cory Smelosky wrote: >> That'd be exactly what I need! >> >> $dir src:<*>tapex.mid >> %No files match this s

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Al Kossow
From when he was at SRI. They were part of a huge collection that Henry saved when SRI was going to toss them. On 1/4/17 1:48 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > CHM has most of KLH's tapes. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.c

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Regarding TAPEX, I'm talking about these tapes: http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_1_19910112.tap.bz2 http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_2_19910112.tap.bz2 http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_3_19910112.tap.bz2 http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Al Kossow
I've attached my lot evaluation I did when Stanford transferred the SRI tape collection to CHM On 1/4/17 1:49 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > From when he was at SRI. They were part of a huge collection that > Henry saved when SRI was going to toss them. > > On 1/4/17 1:48 PM, Al Kossow wrote: >> CHM has

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Richard Cornwell
If all the pieces to run on a KI10 are not here, it should not be that hard to add the BBN pager to my KA10 sim. I plan on adding an ITS pager anyway as soon as I can get Tops10 to boot on the KI10. Tops 10 seems to be relocating itself off by one page when it loads into the KI10, have not been abl

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Phil Budne
> I was looking at the BBN pager spec and it did not look as complex as > it did the first time I looked at it. And the TOPS-20 paging code in the KS10 code should be "similar" > From my reading of the TENEX sources it looks like it just used the > paging hardware to simulate the BBN pager. I b

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, at 13:39, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Cory Smelosky wrote: > > That'd be exactly what I need! > > > > $dir src:<*>tapex.mid > > %No files match this specification - src:<*>tapex.mid > > > > Don't seem to have it on my SRC: structure populated with the SRI-NIC > > dump. > > Look

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Cory Smelosky
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, at 12:23, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Cory Smelosky writes: > > Al Kossow wrote: > >> I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read > >> in 2000 and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the > >> second read is four megs longer than the first. >

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/4/17 1:56 PM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Regarding TAPEX, I'm talking about these tapes: > > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_1_19910112.tap.bz2 > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_2_19910112.tap.bz2 > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PER

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Al Kossow wrote: > Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >> Regarding TAPEX, I'm talking about these tapes: >> http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_1_19910112.tap.bz2 >> http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_2_19910112.tap.bz2 >> http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-05 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Cory Smelosky wrote: > Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >> Look like there should be a PS:TAPEX.KLH.1, and also a >> PS:TAPEX.MID.1. >> >> Maybe we can ask KLH about it. > > I don't appear to have anything from PS: anywhere Oh, there is a file SRC:KLH-DN..1, which appears to be a listing of a DUMPER tape.

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-05 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/5/17 5:39 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Cory Smelosky wrote: >> Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >>> Look like there should be a PS:TAPEX.KLH.1, and also a >>> PS:TAPEX.MID.1. >>> >>> Maybe we can ask KLH about it. >> >> I don't appear to have anything from PS: anywhere > > Oh, there is a file SRC:KLH-D

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-05 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Al Kossow wrote: >> Oh, there is a file SRC:KLH-DN..1, which appears to be a >> listing of a DUMPER tape. That tape presumably had TAPEX.MID: >> >> http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_3_19910112/01/utility/klh-dn..html > > look if there is more than one dump on that tape the 1991 one

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-05 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/5/17 7:18 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > I'm not experienced with TOPS-20, so I'm not sure how to do thatq. I > just ran read20 -t to view the contents. There was no TAPEX file listed. > It's not a TOPS-20 thing. 9 track tapes write over whatever was there before and unlike QIC tapes, leav

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-05 Thread Cory Smelosky
I've sent off an email and was referred to the holder of the archive to no response. Will ping again this month. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:45, Al Kossow wrote: > > hmmm.. looks like this is a directory from a DVD that the SU Archives > has from SUMEX.AIM > > http://web.stan

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-07 Thread Cory Smelosky
TAPEX doesn't appear to be there - no results for TAPE*.MID in SRC: (extracted to a T20 instance), and the other structure is FS - not the referred to by the file PS: Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:56, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > Regarding TAPEX, I'm talking about these tapes: > >

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-01-14 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Phil Budne wrote: >> > Do KI TENEX sources exist?? >> Yes, see KIFLG in version 1.34. > Has KISRV.MAC been found? Sorry, I didn't see that. I suppose Dan Murphy would be the obvious person to ask about everything TENEX. Has anyone tried that? ___ Simh

Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulation: TENEX

2017-02-04 Thread Lars Brinkhoff
Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Cory Smelosky writes: >> Al Kossow wrote: >>> I see that there are two tape images I've read from SCRC, one I read >>> in 2000 and one in 2008. They may be the same, just re-read, the >>> second read is four megs longer than the first. >> >> Any ideas what the tape format is