Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread Samantha Atkins
John Ku wrote: On 5/26/07, *Samantha Atkins* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: We care about humans in the first instance because we are human. What do you mean by this? If you are suggesting that our care for other humans is conditioned upon our identifying ourselv

Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread John Ku
On 5/26/07, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We care about humans in the first instance because we are human. What do you mean by this? If you are suggesting that our care for other humans is conditioned upon our identifying ourselves as belonging to that same species of humans, th

Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread Joshua Fox
Jonathan, although I certainly can't speak for either Ben or the SIAI, note that the two items you reference were written by different people -- Ben Goertzel and Eliezer Yudkowsky -- and they can't be expected to be in agreement. Neither of these items, certainly not Goertzel's, can be considered

Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread Samantha Atkins
On May 26, 2007, at 4:16 AM, John Ku wrote: I think maximization of negative entropy is a poor goal to have. Although life perhaps has some intrinsic value, I think the primary thing we care about is not life, per se, but beings with consciousness and capable of well-being. Under your idea

Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread John Ku
On 5/26/07, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What if the normative governance system includes doing terrible things? I think for some people, namely sociopaths, it probably sometimes does. Now evolution has given most of us emotions such as feelings of obligation, guilt, shame

Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 26/05/07, John Ku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far my work in philosophy has been on the fundamental questions of ethics and reasons more generally. I think I've basically reached fairly definitive answers on what reasons are and how an objective (enough) morality (as well as reasons for act

Re: [singularity] "Friendly" question...

2007-05-26 Thread John Ku
I think maximization of negative entropy is a poor goal to have. Although life perhaps has some intrinsic value, I think the primary thing we care about is not life, per se, but beings with consciousness and capable of well-being. Under your idea, it seems like the "interests" of a large tree migh