Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-26 Thread Starglider
Matt Mahoney wrote: >> 'Access to' isn't the same thing as 'augmented with' of course, but I'm >> not sure exactly what you mean by this (and I'd rather wait for you to >> explain than guess). > > I was referring to one possible implementation of AGI consisting of part > neural > or brainlike imp

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-25 Thread Starglider
My apologies for the duplication of my previous post; I thought my mail client failed to send the original, but actually it just dropped the echo from the server. Matt Mahoney wrote: > Michael Wilson wrote: >> Hybrid approaches (e.g. what Ben's probably envisioning) are almost certainly >> better

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-24 Thread Starglider
I'll try and avoid a repeat of the lenghtly, fairly futile and extremely disruptive discussion of Loosemore's assertions that occurred on the SL4 mailing list. I am willing to address the implicit questions/assumptions about my own position. Richard Loosemore wrote: > The contribution of complex

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-24 Thread Starglider
I have no wish to rehash the fairly futile and extremely disruptive discussion of Loosemore's assertions that occurred on the SL4 mailing list. I am willing to address the implicit questions/assumptions about my own position. Richard Loosemore wrote: > The contribution of complex systems science i

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-23 Thread Starglider
On 23 Oct 2006 at 13:26, Ben Goertzel wrote: > Whereas, my view is that it is precisely the effective combination of > probabilistic logic with complex systems science (including the notion of > emergence) that will lead to, finally, a coherent and useful theoretical > framework for designing an

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-23 Thread Starglider
On 23 Oct 2006 at 12:59, Ben Goertzel wrote: >>> Ditto with just about anything else that's at all innovative -- e.g. was >>> Einstein's General Relativity a fundamental new breakthrough, or just a >>> tweak on prior insights by Riemann and Hilbert? >> >> I wonder if this is a sublime form of

Re: [singularity] AGI funding: US versus China

2006-10-23 Thread Starglider
On 23 Oct 2006 at 9:39, Josh Treadwell wrote: > This is a big problem. If China was a free nation, I wouldn't have any > qualms with it, but the first thing China will do with AGI is marginalize > human rights. Any nation who censors it's internet (violators are sent to > prisoner/slave camps) a

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-23 Thread Starglider
On 23 Oct 2006 at 10:39, Ben Goertzel wrote: > In the case of Novamente, we have sufficient academic credibility and know- > how that we could easily publish a raft of journal papers on the details of > Novamente's design and preliminary experimentation. That bumps your objective success probabil

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-23 Thread Starglider
On 22 Oct 2006 at 17:22, Samantha Atkins wrote: > It is a lot easier I imagine to find many people willing and able to > donate on the order of $100/month indefinitely to such a cause than to > find one or a few people to put up the entire amount. I am sure that has > already been kicked around.  W

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-22 Thread Starglider
Samantha Atkins wrote: > Of late I feel a lot of despair because I see lots of brilliant people > seemingly mired in endlessly rehashing what-ifs, arcane philosophical > points and willing to put off actually creating greater than human > intelligence and transhuman tech indefinitely until they can