Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP "Reject" codes: Why "draft-worley-6xx-considered-harmful" (441 Decline) is still a draft?

2008-03-05 Thread Dale . Worley
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?I=F1aki_Baz_Castillo?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Personally I don't understant why "486 User Busy" is used for >rejecting a call. > > One reason is to reject the call without returning to the caller an > explicit indication that the call has been rejected

Re: [Sip-implementors] "484 Address Incomplete" - overlap dialling- ensuring all messages go to same PSTN gateway (RFC3578)

2008-03-05 Thread Dale . Worley
From: Paul Kyzivat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Its worse than that. The GW may have opened up a pstn connection based on the partial number, and received info back which results in the 484. The retry with more digits needs to reach the gw that still has that state. And this query into the P

Re: [Sip-implementors] IMS Subscriber makes a call to himself

2008-03-05 Thread Lincoln Y. Lavoie
Response below, Cheers, Lincoln Brett Tate wrote: >> Can anyone please let me know is there any >> scenario wherein it will be required that >> Subscriber makes a call to himself? >> > > The common example is users dialing there own number as a mechanism to > connect to their voice mail se

Re: [Sip-implementors] IMS Subscriber makes a call to himself

2008-03-05 Thread Brett Tate
> Can anyone please let me know is there any > scenario wherein it will be required that > Subscriber makes a call to himself? The common example is users dialing there own number as a mechanism to connect to their voice mail server; however I'm not sure if actually discussed within the IMS docu

Re: [Sip-implementors] IMS Subscriber makes a call to himself

2008-03-05 Thread Krishnamoorthy Srini-A19809
One of the scenarios where "it certainly can be useful for X1 to call X2" is where you want to move select media streams in a call or an whole established call between two entities (devices) using "AOR X" -- Srini Krishnamoorthy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI

Re: [Sip-implementors] "484 Address Incomplete" - overlap dialling- ensuring all messages go to same PSTN gateway (RFC3578)

2008-03-05 Thread Attila Sipos
> > > > So it doesn't seem that you will ever need to expend additional effort > > to get 484s to work correctly. > > Its worse than that. The GW may have opened up a pstn connection based > on the partial number, and received info back which results in the 484. > The retry with more digits need

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3398 - ISUP/SIP mapping: 404 -> Unallocated number ??

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I agree with you that the definitions of the codes are not entirely clear. IMO 404 is not an appropriate response for a known and supported AOR for which no device is currently registered. Paul Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > El Tuesday 04 March 2008 19:07:14 Paul Kyzivat escribió: >> A UAS

Re: [Sip-implementors] IMS Subscriber makes a call to himself

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Kyzivat
If phones X1 and X2 are both registered with AOR X it certainly can be useful for X1 to call X. There is nothing about sip signaling that should in any way prevent this from working. It is of course possible in such a case for a UAC to receive an INVITE from itself. In most situations it would

Re: [Sip-implementors] "484 Address Incomplete" - overlap dialling- ensuring all messages go to same PSTN gateway (RFC3578)

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Dale, at end... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >From: "Attila Sipos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> What if you are using something like DNS SRV to route to a >> group of gateways? How can one ensure all new requests go the >> same gateway? >> >>Why would you want to? > >

Re: [Sip-implementors] what about swich behaviors when it receivesan180 Ringing with an new SDP offer?

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Kyzivat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks paul! > Now what I am concerned with is: why in this case, the 180 Ringing is > not permitted to carry SDP? Based on what kind of consideration? Thanks! Because it doesn't follow any of the specified patterns for conveying offers and answers. Look at http://w

Re: [Sip-implementors] Warning Header

2008-03-05 Thread Madhav Bhamidipati
You can do that, there is no restriction on that. On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Sumin Seo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Harsha. > > My first question is about the purpose of Warning header. > Can I user this Warning header only for specifying SDP related > information? > > Instead of Rea

Re: [Sip-implementors] Notations used in IETF docs

2008-03-05 Thread Attila Sipos
this is a good question. Since no one has answered I'll try... I think they are a bit like regular expressions. [] usually means an optional component <> can be a tag which can be substituted for some value. In HTML or XML, it marks the start or end of some element. * usually means zero or m

Re: [Sip-implementors] Is valid a "To_tag" in "100 Trying"?

2008-03-05 Thread srinivas
Get that information from the 8.2.6.2 Headers and Tags paragraph. Regards, Srinivas CH, Huawei Technologis India Pvt Ltd, 1st Floor 'A' Tower,Diamond District, Airport Road, Bangalore-8, Contact: (Off) 080-41117676 ext: 3220(Mob) +919448865786. This e-mail and attachments co

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3398 - ISUP/SIP mapping: 404 ->Unallocated number ??

2008-03-05 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Wednesday 05 March 2008 10:42:28 Andreas Byström escribió: > Does "user not registered" really fit into the description of 404 in > RFC3261? A subscriber that isnt registered does still exists in the domain > that is handled by the server, doesnt it? I would say that the description > of 480 is

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3398 - ISUP/SIP mapping: 404 -> Unallocated number ??

2008-03-05 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Wednesday 05 March 2008 10:05:16 Iñaki Baz Castillo escribió: > El Tuesday 04 March 2008 19:07:14 Paul Kyzivat escribió: > > A UAS should not in general know whether it has been called by a gateway > > or some other sip device. And so it should not be adjusting its > > responses based on the kin

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3398 - ISUP/SIP mapping: 404 ->Unallocated number ??

2008-03-05 Thread Polystar T & M
Does "user not registered" really fit into the description of 404 in RFC3261? A subscriber that isnt registered does still exists in the domain that is handled by the server, doesnt it? I would say that the description of 480 is better for the unregistered case. RFC3261:

Re: [Sip-implementors] Is valid a "To_tag" in "100 Trying"?

2008-03-05 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Wednesday 05 March 2008 10:19:22 srinivas escribió: > Hi, > The UAS may generate the To-Tag in 100 responses according to > RGFC3261 > If a request contained a To tag in the request, the To header field > in the response MUST equal that of the request. However, if the To > h

[Sip-implementors] Is valid a "To_tag" in "100 Trying"?

2008-03-05 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
Hi, Philips iS3000 SIP Server (a PBX) creates a "To_tag" in the "100 Trying". Is it valid? Thanks a lot. -- Iñaki Baz Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sip-implementors mailing list Sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cu

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP "Reject" codes: Why "draft-worley-6xx-considered-harmful" (441 Decline) is still a draft?

2008-03-05 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Wednesday 05 March 2008 05:29:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: >Personally I don't understant why "486 User Busy" is used for >rejecting a call. > > One reason is to reject the call without returning to the caller an > explicit indication that the call has been rejected by the callee. Be

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3398 - ISUP/SIP mapping: 404 -> Unallocated number ??

2008-03-05 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Tuesday 04 March 2008 19:07:14 Paul Kyzivat escribió: > A UAS should not in general know whether it has been called by a gateway > or some other sip device. And so it should not be adjusting its > responses based on the kind of thing it thinks is calling. > > The response returned by the UAS sho