Re: [Sip-implementors] rfc3261 and rfc5057: OPTIONS within dialog and 481

2008-05-15 Thread Bob Penfield
Given the text in 3261 about responding to OPTIONS in the same manner as an INVITE, it is reasonable to assume that a 481 to OPTIONS means that there is no INVITE usage for the dialog. But that does not mean that there is no dialog at all. There may be other usages that exist. I would say that

Re: [Sip-implementors] rfc3261 and rfc5057: OPTIONS within dialog and 481

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Brett Tate wrote: > If OPTIONS 481 really MUST be sent and SHOULD trigger subsequent > requests/responses to terminate the dialog, I'm sure some would like to > use it within early dialogs, subscriptions, and elsewhere. Whether 481 SHOULD/MUST be returned to the OPTIONS is one question. Whether

[Sip-implementors] rfc3261 and rfc5057: OPTIONS within dialog and 481

2008-05-15 Thread Brett Tate
Hi Robert, Thanks for the response. Within the archives, I found http://bugs.sipit.net/show_bug.cgi?id=400 which discusses OPTIONS within dialog. Unfortunately I haven't found much concerning the topic within the old email archives. Thus I'm not positive if all the objections to returning 481 w

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
You got the question right. And you got the right answer too. :-) Thanks, Paul Robert Sparks wrote: > So I've lost track of the question during the musing. > > I _think_ the fundamental question being asked is this: > > Is an endpoint required to reject (with a 481) an OPTIONS

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Robert Sparks
So I've lost track of the question during the musing. I _think_ the fundamental question being asked is this: Is an endpoint required to reject (with a 481) an OPTIONS request that arrives with at to-tag but does not match any existing dialog state. (Assuming some earlier requirement hasn't f

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
[Including Robert in hopes of getting his insight on this.] I certainly agree that receiving a 481 to an OPTIONS would not imply that there is no INVITE-usage, or any other *particular* usage. It at best would indicate that there is no *dialog*, and hence *no* usages of that dialog can exist. I

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Brett Tate
> The ambiguous part has to do with whether > an OPTIONS received with a dialog id should get > a 481 response if the dialog doesn't exist. Since OPTIONS defined within rfc2543 and rfc3261, many tried to get OPTIONS approved (so workable if not actually desired) as a poor man's dialog ping mecha

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Brett, The ambiguous part has to do with whether an OPTIONS received with a dialog id should get a 481 response if the dialog doesn't exist. I've always thought that dialog matching stuff was a "lower layer" function before doing method-specific behavior, so that it would get the 481, and only

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Brett Tate
> > > Also in-dialog OPTIONS is used to verify the state > > > of an existing dialog since the UAS is supposed to > > > answer "200 OK" in case a dialog with that "To" tag exists. > > > > OPTIONS within a dialog is not a typical request within > > dialog. It cannot be used to check dialog state

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Thursday 15 May 2008 16:01:44 Paul Kyzivat escribió: > *If* it is known that the dialog only had a single usage (the normal > case) then it provides *some* evidence of the continued existence of > that usage. But it is in general impossible to know there was a single > usage. For instance, a RE

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > El Thursday 15 May 2008 14:42:09 Brett Tate escribió: >>> Also in-dialog OPTIONS is used to verify the state of an >>> existing dialog since the UAS is supposed to answer "200 OK" >>> in case a dialog with that "To" tag exists. >> OPTIONS within a dialog is not a typic

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Thursday 15 May 2008 14:42:09 Brett Tate escribió: > > Also in-dialog OPTIONS is used to verify the state of an > > existing dialog since the UAS is supposed to answer "200 OK" > > in case a dialog with that "To" tag exists. > > OPTIONS within a dialog is not a typical request within dialog. It

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Thursday 15 May 2008 14:42:09 Brett Tate escribió: > > Also in-dialog OPTIONS is used to verify the state of an > > existing dialog since the UAS is supposed to answer "200 OK" > > in case a dialog with that "To" tag exists. > > OPTIONS within a dialog is not a typical request within dialog. It

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Brett Tate
> Also in-dialog OPTIONS is used to verify the state of an > existing dialog since the UAS is supposed to answer "200 OK" > in case a dialog with that "To" tag exists. OPTIONS within a dialog is not a typical request within dialog. It cannot be used to check dialog state. RFC 5057 section 5.

[Sip-implementors] Regarding Hurricane tool

2008-05-15 Thread Jesi forme
Hi Guys Where i will get information about the Nortel in-house Hurricane tool, Ameritec Crescendo/Fortissimo, Navtel can anybody help me Thanks in Advance Regards Jesi ___ Sip-implementors mailing list Sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu https://li

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Ramya Jothi
Hi Re-INVITE and UPDATE can be used to modify session parameters A Re-INVTE can be sent only after establishing a session Where as UPDATE can be sent in early dialog -Regards Ramya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iñaki Baz Castillo Sen

[Sip-implementors] @SIP stack

2008-05-15 Thread rahul.jadhav
hello friends, we want to implement a SIP stack for voip ATA, we are new in this field as we studied some specs about it, its mentioned in it SIP suppoting RFC 3261/62/63/64 specifications then whether the same support is required at other end also for communication set up? or it mean somethin

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg. SIP reinvite, UPDATE and OPTIONS

2008-05-15 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Thursday 15 May 2008 08:59:00 Robins George escribió: > AFAIK > > the sip re-invite is used to make session alive. > and re-invite is send by UAC/UAS(based on who sets the session refresh > timer) when session refresh timer fires, > which will happen before a session expires. > > the UPDATE meth