Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP OPTIONS

2009-08-06 Thread shyam
Hi, We use OPTIIONS as heart beat message as well. Here we check where the other entities are active or alive as well. HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES CO.,LTD. huawei_logo Address: Bangalore ATP Ariport Road E-mail: shya...@huawei.com www.huawei.com --

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Olle E. Johansson wrote: > 6 aug 2009 kl. 12.49 skrev Vivek Batra: > Greetings, I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. <-- 183 (with SDP) then, <-- 180 (without SDP) >>> Yes it's. >>> However it depends in UAC behaviour on how to render it to the human >>>

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I just saw this thread. Thanks Mikael for your response. Its the best one available for this case, assuming (as the original poster has confirmed) that this is all one dialog. If there is early media flowing, you probably don't want to preempt it with a generated ringback. But if there is no me

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP OPTIONS

2009-08-06 Thread Manoj Priyankara [TG]
Thanks Sir :) -Original Message- From: Abhishek Dhammawat [mailto:abhishek.dhamma...@aricent.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:25 PM To: Manoj Priyankara [TG]; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu Subject: RE: SIP OPTIONS Hi In my opinion OPTIONS should be used for querying the

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP OPTIONS

2009-08-06 Thread Abhishek Dhammawat
Hi In my opinion OPTIONS should be used for querying the capability of the peer user agent and not as keep alive mechanism. For established dialog (specifically two-party call) session timer is one option for checking that UAS is alive or not. There are two more keep-alive techniques mentioned

[Sip-implementors] SIP OPTIONS

2009-08-06 Thread Manoj Priyankara [TG]
Dear All, According to the RFC 3261, SIP OPRIONS message should be used to query the statue of other UAC or the UAS. Is it OK to use the OPTIONS as a keep alive message to know whether the UAS is alive? Is it necessary to send the OPTIONS message from a registered user or is it possible to send t

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Mikael Magnusson
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:27:10PM +0530, Abhishek Dhammawat wrote: > Hi > > In my opinion RBT(Ring Back Tone) should be played. > > regards > Abhishek Dhammawat > Since nobody has mentioned RFC 3960 I thought it would be appropriate to quote a portion of section 3.2[1]. With this in mind,

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread T Satyanarayana-A12694
The caller SHOULD play ring back tone in this case (since he detects he is getting no RTP packets from remote towards RBT). Regards Satya T -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Migu

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Abhishek Dhammawat
Hi In my opinion RBT(Ring Back Tone) should be played. regards Abhishek Dhammawat From: Miguel Oreilly [mailto:miguel.orei...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:20 PM To: Abhishek Dhammawat Cc: Iñaki Baz Castillo; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Miguel Oreilly
In addition to this; Do you think there should be a RBT or no? In the case that I am investigating there is no RBT. 2009/8/6 Miguel Oreilly > for clarification; > 183 ( with SDP ) and 180 ( without SDP ) were coming from same UAS. > > > > 2009/8/6 Abhishek Dhammawat > >> Hi >> >> I would requ

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Miguel Oreilly
for clarification; 183 ( with SDP ) and 180 ( without SDP ) were coming from same UAS. 2009/8/6 Abhishek Dhammawat > Hi > > I would request you not to remove the original question from the mail chain > for better understanding of the issue I am putting the question by Miguel > orielly again > >

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/8/6 Abhishek Dhammawat : > Hi > > I would request you not to remove the original question from the mail chain > for better understanding of the issue I am putting the question by Miguel > orielly again > > > "I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. > > <-- 183 (with SDP) then,

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Abhishek Dhammawat
Hi I would request you not to remove the original question from the mail chain for better understanding of the issue I am putting the question by Miguel orielly again "I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. <-- 183 (with SDP) then, <-- 180 (without SDP) Thanks in advance, M

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/8/6 Olle E. Johansson : > On a related topic. What should one do in this case? > > <--- 183 with sdp from UA 1 > (10 secs) > <--- 183 with sdp from UA 2 > (5 secs) > <--- 180 ringing from UA 3 > <--- 200 OK from UA 3 > > From testing, different devices do very different things. That is not s

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Olle E. Johansson
6 aug 2009 kl. 12.49 skrev Vivek Batra: >>> Greetings, >>> I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. >>> >>> <-- 183 (with SDP) then, >>> <-- 180 (without SDP) >> >> Yes it's. >> However it depends in UAC behaviour on how to render it to the human >> (it could choose to render the ear

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Olle E. Johansson
6 aug 2009 kl. 12.53 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo: > 2009/8/6 Abhishek Dhammawat : >> The below is valid scenario. >> >> Also RFC 3261 section 13.2.1 mentions >> >> "The UAC MUST treat the first session description it receives as >> the answer, >> and MUST ignore any session descriptions in subsequ

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/8/6 Abhishek Dhammawat : > The below is valid scenario. > > Also RFC 3261 section 13.2.1 mentions > > "The UAC MUST treat the first session description it receives as the answer, > and MUST ignore any session descriptions in subsequent responses to the > initial INVITE." This is fully incor

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/8/6 Vivek Batra : > [Vivek] - With some ITSP's, 183 Session Progress is sent (with SDP) to play > the music (something like, please wait while your call is on wait) when > actual called party is busy. However, 180 Ringing is sent as soon as call > has been placed to called party and called par

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Vivek Batra
Hi The below is valid scenario. Also RFC 3261 section 13.2.1 mentions "The UAC MUST treat the first session description it receives as the answer, and MUST ignore any session descriptions in subsequent responses to the initial INVITE." [Vivek] - But that is not the case since 180 Ringing has n

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Vivek Batra
>> Greetings, >> I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. >> >> <-- 183 (with SDP) then, >> <-- 180 (without SDP) > > Yes it's. > However it depends in UAC behaviour on how to render it to the human > (it could choose to render the early-media comming from the same 183, > or it could c

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Abhishek Dhammawat
Hi The below is valid scenario. Also RFC 3261 section 13.2.1 mentions "The UAC MUST treat the first session description it receives as the answer, and MUST ignore any session descriptions in subsequent responses to the initial INVITE." regards Abhishek Dhammawat Aricent -Original Message-

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Olle E. Johansson
6 aug 2009 kl. 12.07 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo: > 2009/8/6 Miguel Oreilly : >> Greetings, >> I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. >> >> <-- 183 (with SDP) then, >> <-- 180 (without SDP) > > Yes it's. > However it depends in UAC behaviour on how to render it to the human > (it coul

Re: [Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/8/6 Miguel Oreilly : > Greetings, > I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. > > <-- 183 (with SDP) then, > <-- 180 (without SDP) Yes it's. However it depends in UAC behaviour on how to render it to the human (it could choose to render the early-media comming from the same 183, o

[Sip-implementors] 180 Ringing after 183 Session progress

2009-08-06 Thread Miguel Oreilly
Greetings, I am wondering if the below scenario is valid or not. <-- 183 (with SDP) then, <-- 180 (without SDP) Thanks in advance, Miguel ___ Sip-implementors mailing list Sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslist

Re: [Sip-implementors] sip2pstn: P-Asserted-Identity and P-Preferred-Identity

2009-08-06 Thread Tomasz Zieleniewski
Hi, P-Asserted-Identity is "trusted", but keep in mind that P-Preferred-Identity is ""untrusted" because it is used between UA and SIP Proxy, not between proxies. It is used in order to point (suggest) which of the trusted identities the UA would like to use through out the trusted domain. Kind r