Re: [Sip-implementors] Clarification regarding RFC 4028 Session Expiration

2009-11-24 Thread Pandurangan R S
In your flow, 4th step seems to be incorrect. It is true that P2 remembers the Session-Expires that it has examined/modified in the request, but it will not insert session-expires in 2xx response because the request did not have "supported: timer" when it was processed by P2 (indicating that UAC d

Re: [Sip-implementors] Clarification regarding RFC 4028 Session Expiration

2009-11-24 Thread Dushyant Dhalia
All that I can agree to is "a proxy should not implement session expiration procedures if neither of the UAC or UAS supports RFC 4028". 1. But as elaborated in the below mentioned scenario, P1 assumes that UAS would support RFC 4028 and it puts Session-Expiration header and Min-SE header in ini

Re: [Sip-implementors] Clarification regarding RFC 4028 Session Expiration

2009-11-24 Thread girish
Hi Dushyant, This is not a bug or understanding problem, we also thought the same way, but this is specified only for the proxies which explicitly needs this feature, In such a case they can establish it, Also this will be very specific to the few scenarios where the traffic is too high so that

[Sip-implementors] Regarding SIP-I trunk group behavior

2009-11-24 Thread VASHISHT PRASHANT
Hi All I have a query regarding the ISUP disposition handling in the INVITE message with encapsulated ISUP. If a ingress SIP-I trunk group receives an INVITE with ISUP encapsulated and ISUP disposition handling = 'required', can the egress SIP-I trunk change this to 'optional'?

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use caseofrport

2009-11-24 Thread Alex Balashov
Why would that merit the response "FAIL?" Attila Sipos wrote: > At risk of getting a FAIL from Mr.Balashov, does > anyone know anything about MS Outlook 2003 support for In-Reply-To? > > how to enable it? > > > > > -Original Message- > From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbi

[Sip-implementors] Clarification of Redirect originator

2009-11-24 Thread Brez Borland
Hi all, If I have UAC who is sending a REGISTER request trough proxy server. Proxy server sends this request further on to REGISTER server. REGISTER server sends a Redirect response to the proxy server. Now, should proxy server send this Redirect response to UAC, or should it try to send the REGI

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use caseofrport

2009-11-24 Thread Attila Sipos
At risk of getting a FAIL from Mr.Balashov, does anyone know anything about MS Outlook 2003 support for In-Reply-To? how to enable it? -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Iñaki Ba

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case ofrport

2009-11-24 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
Hi Attila, could I suggest you to use a mail client which respects and implements the "In-Reply-To" header? Then when you reply in a thread your mail would include such header and would appear in the corresponding thread in any other RFC complian mail client. For now, every mail from you is a n

Re: [Sip-implementors] Clarification regarding RFC 4028 Session Expiration

2009-11-24 Thread Pandurangan R S
> That essentially means neither UAC nor UAS supports RFC 4028 but P1 and P2 > run the session expiration timers as a result when the timer times out both > P1 and P2 release their calls/ resources. This is not expected to occur as per RFC 4028. May be you should just elaborate how you think situa

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case ofrport

2009-11-24 Thread Attila Sipos
>>UA needs to know and publish its public IP address/port. this is true in some cases. If you are a standalone UA (not using a SIP server) and want to receive requests, then rport is not good enough. (but of course, you still need an external STUN server) In other cases, a SIP server (with whi

[Sip-implementors] Clarification regarding RFC 4028 Session Expiration

2009-11-24 Thread Dushyant Dhalia
_     __        _   _ | UAC | __ | P1     | ___ | P2   | ___ | UAS | |_|    |__|  |_|  |_| Consider the above configuration - UAC doesn't insert Session-Expires header in Initial INVITE

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case ofrport

2009-11-24 Thread Vivek Batra
Attila, [Attila] - "rport is a very simple mechanism without very low overhead for achieving simple NAT traversal without requiring a separate protocol such as STUN which requires a STUN client and STUN server" [Vivek] - Even rport is used, I think STUN mechanism will still be required since rpor

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread Attila Sipos
>>So, does implementing 'rport' will add value to my SIP Stack core? 1. It might be useful for a SIP receiving server to know that you support rport (but this is arguable) If it knows you support rport, it can then safely send responses back on the "source port". (For best interop anyway

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread sumit jindal
Hi Keerthi, rport is used to put infomation in sip message itself ,if some nat is in between two sip entities. If you doesn't want to keep some transaction state information for each request received , it's the used to send response accross nat. note: rport is supported by all sip stacks I have w

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread KEERTHI KUMAR
Hi Attila, Firsly thanks for your response; in my current setup, the application using my SIP Stack has the support of STUN client.   As per my current info, STUN supports for 3 types of NAT's (i.e. Full Cone, Restricted Address Cone and Port restricted Cone NATs) and it does not s

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Martes, 24 de Noviembre de 2009, KEERTHI KUMAR escribió: > Hi All, > Myself Keerthi Kumar, currently planning to implement 'rport' > support in the SIP Stack using RFC 3581. But, now i am stuk at finding a > Valid use case that 'rport' solves and leads over STUN or other NAT > traver

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread Alex Balashov
Attila is correct. rport is just a fancy way of saying that replies should be sent to the source port whence the request came, which is exactly how stateful connection tracking works in conventional source NAT gateway implementations. Attila Sipos wrote: > STUN doesn't work for all NAT types,

Re: [Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread Attila Sipos
STUN doesn't work for all NAT types, I believe rport does. rport is a very simple mechanism without very low overhead for achieving simple NAT traversal without requiring a separate protocol such as STUN which requires a STUN client and STUN server. rport's use cases are not unique but for UDP SI

[Sip-implementors] [RPort] Request to know unique use case of rport

2009-11-24 Thread KEERTHI KUMAR
Hi All,  Myself Keerthi Kumar, currently planning to implement 'rport' support in the SIP Stack using RFC 3581. But, now i am stuk at finding a Valid use case that 'rport' solves and leads over STUN or other NAT traversal techniques.   So, i request you to please suggest me few use cases