Re: [Sip-implementors] Getting "Media Format = 0"

2010-03-19 Thread WORLEY, DALE R (DALE)
From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Nitin Kapoor [nitinkapo...@gmail.com] I am facing the problem with one of my client. I can see we are getting the 2 codecs in SDP(G.711 & G.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Does SIP/SDP allow one-way RTP?

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/20 Schwarz Albrecht : > It's amazing that such a fundamental session configuration topic is not > really well specified (explicitly, detailed, unambiguous) in RFCs 3261 & > 3264. Just wondering ... I agree. When such kind of issues occur it means that interoperability is difficult as diff

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Paul Kyzivat : > Actually, Brett gave the best answer. > > The lack of response to OPTIONS should not have caused a presumption that > the dialog, or the invite dialog usage, has failed. Lacking some other > failure, the RTP should have continued to flow and the call should have > stayed

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Actually, Brett gave the best answer. The lack of response to OPTIONS should not have caused a presumption that the dialog, or the invite dialog usage, has failed. Lacking some other failure, the RTP should have continued to flow and the call should have stayed up. Once the RTP stopped flowing

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 WORLEY, DALE R (DALE) : > The basic answer to your question is "yes".  In general, in any dialog or > usage, if a UA decides that it is terminated, for any reason than a message > from the remote UA that states that the dialog/usage is termianted, the UA > should send an explicit termi

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread WORLEY, DALE R (DALE)
From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Premalatha Kuppan [premalathakup...@gmail.com] Thanks for the valuable comments. Then during outgoing call, how can both devices participat

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread WORLEY, DALE R (DALE)
The basic answer to your question is "yes". In general, in any dialog or usage, if a UA decides that it is terminated, for any reason than a message from the remote UA that states that the dialog/usage is termianted, the UA should send an explicit termiantion message. In this case, if a UA rec

Re: [Sip-implementors] [TEL URI] Query on Tel URI with CIC parameter.

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
> Is the below TEL URI is a Global Number? No. As indicated within the snippets you provided; per RFC 3966, it is a malformed TEL URI. > - > tel:3036619110;cic=+1234 > - > I mean in the absence of leading '+' and ;phone-context param , > Should we consider Global CIC also? >

[Sip-implementors] [TEL URI] Query on Tel URI with CIC parameter.

2010-03-19 Thread prashanth.me
Hi All, Is the below TEL URI is a Global Number? - tel:3036619110;cic=+1234 - I mean in the absence of leading '+' and ;phone-context param , Should we consider Global CIC also? As per the RFC 3966 - Globally unique numbers are identified by the leading "+" char

Re: [Sip-implementors] Does SIP/SDP allow one-way RTP?

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Paul Kyzivat : > Iñaki, > > Note that specifying a=recvonly gives a receive the video without sending > any. But in that case you are still expected to send rtcp. > If you want to avoid that too, then you should specify c=0.0.0.0. Thanks for clarification. However I don't see the problem

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
> 2010/3/19 Brett Tate : > >> But in any case, no specification states that, upon an in-dialog > >> OPTIONS timeout, the UA should terminate the RTP without sending > >> a BYE. Am I right? > > > > Correct.  However if I recall correctly, rfc3261 often only indicates > SHOULD send BYE instead of MUS

Re: [Sip-implementors] [gruu] First temporary GRUU

2010-03-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
KUMARAVEL ANAND-MWCH34 wrote: > > Hanifa, > As per RFC 5627,section 3.2, all of the temporary GRUUs learned > from REGISTER responses of a contact remain valid as long a contact with > that instance ID remains registered and the UA doesn't change the > Call-ID in its REGISTER request comp

Re: [Sip-implementors] Does SIP/SDP allow one-way RTP?

2010-03-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Iñaki, Note that specifying a=recvonly gives a receive the video without sending any. But in that case you are still expected to send rtcp. If you want to avoid that too, then you should specify c=0.0.0.0. Thanks, Paul Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > 2010/3/19 : >> Hi, >> >> Yes, B

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Brett Tate : >> But in any case, no specification states that, upon an in-dialog >> OPTIONS timeout, the UA should terminate the RTP without sending >> a BYE. Am I right? > > Correct.  However if I recall correctly, rfc3261 often only indicates SHOULD > send BYE instead of MUST send BYE

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
> > The following is a link to one of the threads: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipcore/current/msg02020.html > > Thanks, but that thread doesn't handle the case in which > an in-dialog OPTIONS fails due to timeout (no response). I agree; however it reflects some of the ambiguiti

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Brett Tate : > For what it worth, sipcore has been discussing OPTIONS lately concerning > issues when used in-dialog and outside of dialog.  OPTIONS will be discussed > at the IETF meeting. > > The following is a link to one of the threads: > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipco

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
For what it worth, sipcore has been discussing OPTIONS lately concerning issues when used in-dialog and outside of dialog. OPTIONS will be discussed at the IETF meeting. The following is a link to one of the threads: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipcore/current/msg02020.html Concernin

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP URI Service Discovery using DNS-SD capable SIP clients?

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Saúl Ibarra : > Hi! > > I'm currently working on implementing > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-sip-dns-sd-uri-03 in sipsimple > SDK and I'd love to test interoperability with other SIP clients in > this matter. > > Is there any SIP client (open or closed source) which implements thi

[Sip-implementors] SIP URI Service Discovery using DNS-SD capable SIP clients?

2010-03-19 Thread Saúl Ibarra
Hi! I'm currently working on implementing http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-sip-dns-sd-uri-03 in sipsimple SDK and I'd love to test interoperability with other SIP clients in this matter. Is there any SIP client (open or closed source) which implements this draft out there? Thanks in advance

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Avasarala Ranjit-A20990 : > Its not fully unfeasible. Its possible and there are solutions where it is > done. Check the 3GPP spec: TS 23.893  (section 5.2) I really promised myself not to waste my time reading 3GPP/OMA/RCS documents anymore :) Closed solutions for closed networks. --

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Saúl Ibarra
Hi Iñaki, On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > Hi, let me redefine a question I already did: > > > - A client initiates a SIP UDP call with a server. The call is > correctly established. > > - After the INVITE transaction the client sends an in-dialog OPTIONS > to check th

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
Hi Its not fully unfeasible. Its possible and there are solutions where it is done. Check the 3GPP spec: TS 23.893 (section 5.2) Regards Ranjit -Original Message- From: Iñaki Baz Castillo [mailto:i...@aliax.net] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:10 PM To: Avasarala Ranjit-A20990 Cc: Pre

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Aaron Clauson
> -Original Message- > From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip- > implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Premalatha > Kuppan > > Is there any other approach, please suggest ? Maybe you could treat the call normally and answer it on your mobile p

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Avasarala Ranjit-A20990 : > With Asterisk u may not be able to, because Asterisk is not a SIP Proxy or > B2BUA. It's a IP-PBX. Sure, Asterisk will not let you answering a call from two endpoints at the same time. Again, what you are trying to achieve is so exotic that it's, in fact, fu

[Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: section 12.2.1.2 VS section 11

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
Hi, let me redefine a question I already did: - A client initiates a SIP UDP call with a server. The call is correctly established. - After the INVITE transaction the client sends an in-dialog OPTIONS to check the dialog status. - Due to a SIP stack bug, the server ignores the in-dialog OPTIONS

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Avasarala Ranjit-A20990
Hi I do not think just by using B2BUA u could achive the scenario being discussed. There needs to be a rule that says where the audio needs to be routed to and where the video needs to be routed to. So here the incoming media needs to be first split into audio and video streams, calls need to b

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Premalatha Kuppan
Yes. I agree. I should achieve using B2BUA. Actaully i tried a scenario, making call to both devices. Here i used asterisk server to achieve this. So, thought if i could make both device same URI at user A and make a call. Similar to our PSTN, two parallel lines. Is there any other approach, ple

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
If the forking proxy knows the service that it is attempting to perform (i.e. group video only device with an audio device), it wouldn't send the immediate CANCEL even if rfc3261 or another RFC says it must or should. However there is little reason to discuss since the service is typically done

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Brett Tate : > It is standard service related forking.  The issue is that the caller likely > won't keep both calls up after answer. The problem before it is the fact that when UAS-1 replies 200 the forking proxy would inmediately cancel the second one, so just in the exotic case both U

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread KUMARAVEL ANAND-MWCH34
GRUU has nothing to do with this scenario and neither does SIP has a mechanism to achieve it straight away. You can use a B2BUA to achieve it. B2BUA can fork the call from B to both the devices of A (in your case mobile&Laptop) with different SDP,one with audio(mobile) and other with video(laptop

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
It is standard service related forking. The issue is that the caller likely won't keep both calls up after answer. And if the caller is willing to conference them somehow, the caller might not like the concept of one of the reached parties only supporting audio while another only supports vide

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Premalatha Kuppan : > Say for example, User B calls User A. @ User A i have GRUU support. > > Here, i want both my devices @ User A to be alerted and should participate > in a call. > > How can do this ? > > I assume, using GRUU i can reach both my end devices. Correct me if iam > wrong.

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Premalatha Kuppan
Say for example, User B calls User A. @ User A i have GRUU support. Here, i want both my devices @ User A to be alerted and should participate in a call. How can do this ? I assume, using GRUU i can reach both my end devices. Correct me if iam wrong. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Brett Tate

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Brett Tate
What you are describing requires a B2BUA and is supported by some vendors. GRUU has no direct relevance upon the service. > -Original Message- > From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip- > implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Premalatha > Kuppa

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Premalatha Kuppan : > This is my scenario: > > I have a sip client in my Mobile phone, but no video support. For a video > chat, i want to use my mobile for audio and video should be displayed in > laptop. > > I was curious whether using GRUU concept, can i make both the devices to > part

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Premalatha Kuppan
This is my scenario: I have a sip client in my Mobile phone, but no video support. For a video chat, i want to use my mobile for audio and video should be displayed in laptop. I was curious whether using GRUU concept, can i make both the devices to participate in a call. Such that, my Mobile phon

Re: [Sip-implementors] GRUU - SIP extension Basic questions

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 Premalatha Kuppan : > Here my main intention is to deliver audio to one device and video to other > device. Is it possible ? Hyper-exotic scenario that will never work in the real world. "Theorically" such behavior is possible if both UAS's reply 200 at the same time (so the forking pro

Re: [Sip-implementors] Does SIP/SDP allow one-way RTP?

2010-03-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2010/3/19 : > Hi, > > Yes, Bob can accept, but to decode Video Bob system must be capable of > decoding the codec offered in Video SDP. This is common. A softphone is usually able to render an incoming video stream, but a webcam is required to sent video :) > He can answer with Send Recive for

Re: [Sip-implementors] [gruu] First temporary GRUU

2010-03-19 Thread KUMARAVEL ANAND-MWCH34
Hanifa, As per RFC 5627,section 3.2, all of the temporary GRUUs learned from REGISTER responses of a contact remain valid as long a contact with that instance ID remains registered and the UA doesn't change the Call-ID in its REGISTER request compared to previous ones for the same reg-id.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Re : Does SIP/SDP allow one-way RTP?

2010-03-19 Thread Bossiel thioriguel
the port number is set to zero to alert Alice that he doesn't want to receive any video stream (use case 1). if he wants to receive the stream but want to alert Alice that he can't send video stream then add "a=recvonly" attribute (use case 2). --- En date de : Ven 19.3.10, Iñaki Baz Castillo a

[Sip-implementors] [gruu] First temporary GRUU

2010-03-19 Thread hanifa.mohammed
Hi, In GRUU, for every REGISTER, the Registrar gives a different temp-gruu value. i.e. even for each refresh, a temp gruu is given. Registrar guarantees that all temp gruu's are valid till the user deregisters or change-in-callid value. My question is that whether the first temp-gru