[Sip-implementors] Control theorectic approach for mitigating SIP overload

2013-07-16 Thread Yang Hong
Hello Folks. SIP faces with overload issue recently due to its popularity. Build-in overload mechanism cannot prevent overload effectively. Therefore, IETF SIP Overload Control (soc) Working Group works on IETF RFC "SIP Overload Control" currently. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-soc-o

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 7/16/13 3:33 PM, Joel Gerber wrote: > Sorry; dialog being modified wasn't the most accurate terminology. The way I > understand the workings in the Genband environment, the subsequent (and > preceeding) digits are sent in an INFO message either during the provisional > stage of dialog setup o

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Joel Gerber
Sorry; dialog being modified wasn't the most accurate terminology. The way I understand the workings in the Genband environment, the subsequent (and preceeding) digits are sent in an INFO message either during the provisional stage of dialog setup or after the dialog is fully established. I thin

Re: [Sip-implementors] Need clarification on glare condition w.r.t Session Refresh timer

2013-07-16 Thread Brett Tate
The race condition is known. I assume that the answers can be found at https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2010-October/025881.html which indicates to look at https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2010-May/025009.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 7/16/13 1:41 PM, Joel Gerber wrote: > I believe it actually establishes the dialog with the partial digits. Then > the dialog is modified with the new digits as they are received. I haven't > tested this in a lab, so I can't be 100% sure, but that is what I've been led > to believe. What do

[Sip-implementors] Need clarification on glare condition w.r.t Session Refresh timer

2013-07-16 Thread Jagan Mohan
Hi, I have a call flow as shown below. UAC--UAS INVITE with SDP ---> < 183 with SDP < UPDATE without SDP < 200 INVITE with SDP 200 UPDATE without SDP -> Here, there is negotiation of Sess

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Joel Gerber
I believe it actually establishes the dialog with the partial digits. Then the dialog is modified with the new digits as they are received. I haven't tested this in a lab, so I can't be 100% sure, but that is what I've been led to believe. As to your question about how many digits must be sent

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Joel Gerber
The Genband C20/CS2000 switch has an element called an SST that does the PSTN to SIP interworking. This is the device that supports using INFO messages for overlap dialing. It is acting as a gateway, hence its ability to send out the INFO messages during, I believe (I’m not 100% sure that it’s n

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Paul Kyzivat
The problem with the INFO method is that you first must establish a dialog with *something*, and you need a URI do do that. And once you have established that dialog, all the digits you send with INFO are going to it. So this really only works with certain topologies, and with the calling devi

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread SIP Learner
Is Genband's C20/CS2000 switches used as a gateway to PSTN and SIP network? or is it used as a pure SIP network element (proxy, B2BUA, etc)? If *only SIP is involved*, I can *not* figure out how the INFO method can be used to convey overlapping digits. INFO is sent within an early dialog create

[Sip-implementors] RFC 3966: useless percent encoding

2013-07-16 Thread Brett Tate
Hi, RFC 3966 section 3 indicates the following: "Characters other than those in the "reserved" and "unsafe" sets (see RFC 2396 [RFC2396]) are equivalent to their "% HEX HEX" percent encoding." Is the statement true only where the ABNF allows "pct-encoded"? For instance, is it valid to useles

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Joel Gerber
I know Genband's C20/CS2000 switches support (and default) to using the INFO method for overlapping digits (this is what they call partial dialled digits followed by subsequent digits). Joel Gerber Network Specialist Network Operations Eastlink E: joel.ger...@corp.eastlink.ca T: 519.786.1241 --

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread SIP Learner
Thanks to all! I found one internet draft that propose to use the INFO method to convey subsequent dialed numbers: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-zhang-sipping-overlap-01.txt It claimed to resolve the issues related to the INVITE/484/ACK approach in RFC3578, but this draft seems to be decea

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query on a specific session timer scenario

2013-07-16 Thread Brett Tate
> Need inputs in the following scenario (wrt UAS) > > - INVITE received with Session-Expires, Min-SE, Supported:timer, no > refresher is present > - 183 sent with Supported:timer > - UPDATE received with *no* Session-Expires, *no* Min-SE, > Supported:timer, no refresher is present > - 200 OK of UP

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Brett Tate
> In my opinion, if only a SIP network is involved and > no gateways are used, overlap signalling (e.g., the > caller sends dialed digits to an outbound proxy in > consecutive separate INVITEs for the outbound proxy > to collect enough information and route the requests) > is meaningless, becau

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Joel Gerber
A lot of the time you wouldn't be able to find out that a wrong number was dialled until all of the digits were collected. Joel Gerber Network Specialist Network Operations Eastlink E: joel.ger...@corp.eastlink.ca T: 519.786.1241 -Original Message- From: SIP Learner [mailto:rfc3...@foxmai

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Joel Gerber
I will add one point to this discussion; sometimes not sending out all the digits at once makes sense, but not with SIP. Gateway protocols like MGCP will commonly send out digits one at a time. This allows a Gateway Controlled protocol to allow the controller to decide when enough digits have b

Re: [Sip-implementors] Overlap signaling in a native SIP network

2013-07-16 Thread Brett Tate
> I think there is one benefit > *when the caller dialed a wrong number!* > > If overlap signallig were used, the caller might be > informed by the proxy immediately. In en bloc > signalling, however, the caller will only be altered > after he dialed the complete wrong number   > watsting time

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query on a specific session timer scenario

2013-07-16 Thread Balint Menyhart
Hi, My reading is that 200 OK to INVITE with Require:timer but no Session-Expires is illegal. Therefore, I would choose to ACK - BYE it. From RFC 4028 section 7.2 - UAC Behaviour - Processing a 2xx Response: If there was a Require header field in the response with the value 'timer', th

[Sip-implementors] Query on a specific session timer scenario

2013-07-16 Thread Tarun2 Gupta
Hi All Need inputs in the following scenario (wrt UAS) - INVITE received with Session-Expires, Min-SE, Supported:timer, no refresher is present - 183 sent with Supported:timer - UPDATE received with *no* Session-Expires, *no* Min-SE, Supported:timer, no refresher is present - 200 OK of UPDATE s

[Sip-implementors] automation framework

2013-07-16 Thread satya r
Hi All, How to test a VoIP application through automation framework ? regards Satya ___ Sip-implementors mailing list Sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/sip-implementors