Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Worley
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 17:55 -0700, Vikram Chhibber wrote: > I can not think of any reason why RFC did not allow replacement of > early dialog at the UAS. The reason that the replacement of an incoming early dialog is not allowed is the complexity that would be introduced if the caller has multiple

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Worley
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 10:11 +0530, Vivek Batra wrote: > If we correlate the above RFC statement with the Attendant Call Transfer, > does it mean that if Transfer Target receives the INVITE (replaces) header > and it matches with the early dialog which is not initiated by the transfer > target, tran

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Worley
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 21:44 +0200, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > El Jueves, 7 de Mayo de 2009, Vikram Chhibber escribió: > > > I could not think of > > any useful case for early dialog getting replaced at UAS end. > > Let me tell an example (real example): > > - A calls B. > - B answers. > - B wan

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Worley
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:08 +0530, Rastogi, Vipul (Vipul) wrote: > I don't know if sending 487 after 180 is good idea. I have seen > following in few places ... If the caller cancels the call while it is ringing, the UAS has no choice but to send a 487 after it sends a 180. Dale ___

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-07 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Jueves, 7 de Mayo de 2009, Vikram Chhibber escribió: > I could not think of > any useful case for early dialog getting replaced at UAS end. Let me tell an example (real example): - A calls B. - B answers. - B wants to transfer the call to C. - So B puts A on-hold and calls C. - C doesnt' answ

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-07 Thread Vikram Chhibber
rom: Vikram Chhibber [mailto:vikram.chhib...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:25 AM > To: Vivek Batra > Cc: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer > Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Att

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-06 Thread Rastogi, Vipul (Vipul)
arly dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer Vikram/Vipul, Regarding definition of Attendant Transfer, most of the Analog/ Digital PBX allows you to perform the Attendant Transfer activity even when Transfer Target is in ringin

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-06 Thread Vivek Batra
, 2009 3:25 AM To: Vivek Batra Cc: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Vivek Batra wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-06 Thread Vikram Chhibber
I can not think of any reason why RFC did not allow replacement of early dialog at the UAS. I can think of one more feature for this case. For example, the caller wanted to initiate an audio session, the called party did not respond in time and then the caller decided to leave an instant message u

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-06 Thread Vikram Chhibber
An example of service using "replacing the early dialog _initiated_ by UA" could be a call-collect feature where the receiver does not want the originator to be charged for the call, the receiver calls back the originator. I could not think of service using "replacing the early dialog _not_ initiat

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Miércoles, 6 de Mayo de 2009, Vikram Chhibber escribió: > No. From the RFC 3891, it is clear that you can only replace early > dialog which is initiated by the UA. > In your scenario, how can you say it is attended-transfer when the > transferor and > transfer-target never had a conversation? E

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-06 Thread Vikram Chhibber
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Vivek Batra wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I have one straight question may be I am not able to read between the words. > > > As per RFC 3891 Section 3: > > > > If the Replaces header field matches an early dialog that was not >   initiated by this UA, it returns a 481 (Cal

[Sip-implementors] Early dialog can be replaced if Transfer Target is the reciepient of dialog (early) during Attendant Call Transfer

2009-05-05 Thread Vivek Batra
Hi Folks, I have one straight question may be I am not able to read between the words. As per RFC 3891 Section 3: If the Replaces header field matches an early dialog that was not initiated by this UA, it returns a 481 (Call/Transaction Does Not Exist) response to the new INVITE, and l