Re: [sipx-users] MWI does not seem to work on 4.6

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Dutton
OK. I changed the servers to datamerge.local in my phone profiles. The Polycoms immediately worked and their MWI lights now flash. The Aastras don't understand DNS SRV records, so they couldn't even logon. OK, I thought. I will use the outbound proxy settings to point them by FQDN and leave the

[sipx-users] Homer timezone and missing lines

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Dutton
Homer is now working (mostly) in 4.6. However, I see two issues. One is a frustration, the other a bit more serious. The first issue is that although Homer correctly shows the local time on its web page and the search output has all the correct timezone, the actual search window is taking time

Re: [sipx-users] Homer timezone and missing lines

2012-07-30 Thread Joegen Baclor
Mark, Please create a jira for the missing packets. I'll spend some time looking into it. On 07/30/2012 03:12 PM, Mark Dutton wrote: Homer is now working (mostly) in 4.6. However, I see two issues. One is a frustration, the other a bit more serious. The first issue is that although

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Joegen Baclor
Michael, Try the latest RPM from the repo and set the these values in the proxy config SIPX_TRAN_HOOK_LIBRARY.100_sipheadercheck : /usr/lib64/transactionplugins/libSipHeaderCheck.so SIPX_TRAN.100_sipheadercheck.REMOVE_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE : true

Re: [sipx-users] Homer timezone and missing lines

2012-07-30 Thread Douglas Hubler
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Mark Dutton repl...@datamerge.com.au wrote: The first issue is that although Homer correctly shows the local time on its web page and the search output has all the correct timezone, the actual search window is taking time in GMT. I am in Western Australia which

Re: [sipx-users] Homer timezone and missing lines

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Dutton
Done. XX-10333 -- Regards Mark Dutton ___ sipx-users mailing list sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org List Archive: http://list.sipfoundry.org/archive/sipx-users/

Re: [sipx-users] Homer timezone and missing lines

2012-07-30 Thread Joegen Baclor
Thanks. I took hold of the ticket. Make sure you also make a separate jira for the timezone issue. On 07/30/2012 06:14 PM, Mark Dutton wrote: Done. XX-10333 ___ sipx-users mailing list sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org List Archive:

[sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Dutton
I reported that the hunt groups were erratic last week and as of today's build they are working properly as configured in the setup screens. I thought I would be clever and try to create a scenario where ringing into a hunt group we could create an add on effect. I did this by having initial

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/30/12 5:04 AM, Joegen Baclor wrote: This should give you back cisco blind transfers. Thanks, I'll give it a try, but more importantly, are holds. If someone puts someone on hold (hold:), or trys to conferencing someone in, they get lost. (or I just scrap the cisco's, but someone really

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/29/12 5:45 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: use an ata that does t.38 instead of g711 and that problem will fix itself. who has a good two port t.38 TA? -- Michael Scheidell, CTO o: 561-999-5000 d: 561-948-2259 *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Best Mobile Solutions Product of 2011

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
or better yet, just document what works and what doesn't... not much different than some other SIP phones... not everybody follows standards. Mike On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: ** On 7/30/12 5:04 AM, Joegen Baclor wrote: This

Re: [sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
this shouldn't work... you shouldn't be able to have 200 back in the list with the current hunt group app... well, at least this never did work ;-) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Mark Dutton repl...@datamerge.com.auwrote: I reported that the hunt groups were erratic last week and as of

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Joegen Baclor
I am only aware of blind transfer and ha support for cisco getting fixed by these params. Josh has better insight on this. Lets see if he chimes in. On 07/30/2012 07:11 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: On 7/30/12 5:04 AM, Joegen Baclor wrote: This should give you back cisco blind transfers.

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
Remotes wont work, hold doesn't work, transfers don't work, blind transfers don't work, conference calls don't work. Mwi doesn't work right . I have not tested the web interface lately but you can't put enough characters in a couple of the fields, and 1 of the other fields, the domain field

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
well, hold is essentially a transfer... On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Joegen Baclor jbac...@ezuce.com wrote: I am only aware of blind transfer and ha support for cisco getting fixed by these params. Josh has better insight on this. Lets see if he chimes in. On 07/30/2012 07:11 PM,

Re: [sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
You cannot re-ring an extension in a hunt group. See the wiki please. On Jul 30, 2012 7:11 AM, Mark Dutton repl...@datamerge.com.au wrote: I reported that the hunt groups were erratic last week and as of today's build they are working properly as configured in the setup screens. I thought

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
Patton SN4522JSEUI On Jul 30, 2012 7:19 AM, Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: ** On 7/29/12 5:45 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: use an ata that does t.38 instead of g711 and that problem will fix itself. who has a good two port t.38 TA? -- Michael Scheidell, CTO o:

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
lots of this is being worked on... the difference is there's now a commercial reason to work on it. cisco phones as remotes probably will never work though. yes, polycom's make life easier. but we've been saying that for many years too... mike On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Michael

Re: [sipx-users] good work sipx 4.40 and faxes, need help though.

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/30/12 7:51 AM, Michael Picher wrote: lots of this is being worked on... the difference is there's now a commercial reason to work on it. other thing to think about: FORCE the users to use ONE firmware version. Cisco changed how they do things in each firmware version, and what works

Re: [sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Dutton
Well it's not stopping me, so maybe that is a bug. Shame. -- Regards Mark Dutton ___ sipx-users mailing list sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org List Archive: http://list.sipfoundry.org/archive/sipx-users/

Re: [sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
don't get me wrong, i'll take it if it works now... because it was never allowed before (as tony stated). hopefully one of the devs speaks up as to what may be allowing this. mike On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Mark Dutton repl...@datamerge.com.auwrote: Well it's not stopping me, so

Re: [sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Dutton
Actually, I just read the wiki. It states that if an extension is used more than once the subsequent additions will only ring once. This is not strictly the case. If the same extension is used consecutively, it will only ring the first time, but if it has a ringdown sequence between iterations

Re: [sipx-users] Hunt group behaviour when using the same extension twice

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
realize that behavior can change dynamically, and is not recommended. the way to handle this is to use separate lines on the phones that need to be re'-rung as part of the hunt group until there is a better hunt group capability. also realize there is openacd in 4.6 for inbound call handling as an

Re: [sipx-users] Call centre setup

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
I am not sure position announcement or wait time has been added yet. I am not sure if this has been added to openacd yet either. https://github.com/OpenACD/OpenACD/wiki/Cdr-and-agent-states But since its a relatively new project, it could happen! On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mark Dutton

Re: [sipx-users] flying pigs

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
They did just that at CT Expo for awhile... On Jul 29, 2012, at 15:48 , Michael Scheidell wrote: And if wishes were horses my driveway would prolly be full of crap. P s, there is an rfc that says the pigs will fly given enough thrust. -:) ___

[sipx-users] freeswitch performance on Centos 5/6

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
From the freeswitch-users list Wondering if anyone has seen an effect on sipx media services in 4.6? Begin forwarded message: From: Ken Rice kr...@freeswitch.org Date: July 26, 2012 1:03:38 MDT To: FreeSWITCH Users Help freeswitch-us...@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users]

Re: [sipx-users] freeswitch performance on Centos 5/6

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
This is sort of not very helpful as a discussion goes. While there may be some merit in this, noone on this list has complained of performance issues on sipx 4.5/4/6 as it relates to freeswitch. Realize sipxecs does not use all of the same freeswitch modules that most people using freeswitch

[sipx-users] Shared Appearance Agent

2012-07-30 Thread Kyle Haefner
Hi Users, Does anyone know what the practical limit for BLA lines is in SIPX? I get this message in the logs: message queue 'AppearanceAgentTask-15' is over half full - count = 99, max = 100 Thanks! Kyle -- Kyle Haefner, M.S. Communication Systems Programmer Colorado State University Fort

Re: [sipx-users] FW: MS Lync and Exchange 2010

2012-07-30 Thread Josh Patten
I tried to warn you all at CoLab :-P On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Todd Hodgen thod...@frontier.com wrote: BTW, lesson learned. If you enable Lynk, and you are using the TAPI interface, it is disabled in Outlook by the Lync toolbar. Part of their extending of the feature set I

Re: [sipx-users] homer 101

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
ok, so i updated and now have the build dated today. i can search older homer entries but not capturing new ones. don't know if this is worthy to mention that I can search the old captures, but it is not correlating any of the relevant data for any call id in particular. I.E. If I choose a clle

[sipx-users] one more free fax service:

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
I tested T.38 with 'faxzero' works fine. but, if you use 'filesanywhere', you can upload your file, and fax it (from your desktop, android, etc) (i sent a 63 page fax to see what would happen.. worked fine, 29 mins later :-) -- Michael Scheidell, CTO o: 561-999-5000 d: 561-948-2259 *|

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
mongo doesn't look right... try: bash -x /usr/bin/mongodb-repair /etc/init.d/mongod start On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Kurt Albershardt k...@nv.net wrote: sipxconfig.log and tail of sipxagent.log (which was 2 MB) attached. Updated via yum this morning and invoked 'sipxecs-setup

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Douglas Hubler
Somehow you might have double quotes around your host name. When running sipxecs-setup, did you put double quotes around your host name? Can you send me /etc/sipxpbx/sipxconfig.properties? On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Kurt Albershardt k...@nv.net wrote: sipxconfig.log and tail of

[sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
4.2.0, and 4.2.1, if I enabled recording on a conference line, (under certain conditions I suppose), then everyone dialing in got 'You are the only partitipant in this conference' I could see in cdr, - active, everyone there, all showing they were in the right conference, but no one heard

Re: [sipx-users] homer 101

2012-07-30 Thread Douglas Hubler
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net wrote: ok, so i updated and now have the build dated today. i can search older homer entries but not capturing new ones. probably because sipxhomer is dieing, see comment below don't know if this is worthy to

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
in 4.4 moh general (system) is used for MOH in conferences. (system music direcotry is: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/moh, which should be user:group sipxchange:sipxchange, the directory perms should be 0755 and files should be 0644) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Michael Scheidell

Re: [sipx-users] homer 101

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
Sure, i'll pound on it some this evening to try to track some of this down and send it along. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Douglas Hubler dhub...@ezuce.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net wrote: ok, so i updated and now have the build

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
Attached, and shows double quotes. I'm guessing this is also the cause of what I reported earlier: One more minor glitch at the end of the script - looks like extra quotes in the URL: In a few more minutes you will be able to access the administration interface from your web browser at

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/30/12 2:51 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: in 4.4 moh general (system) is used for MOH in conferences. (system music direcotry is: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/moh, which should be user:group sipxchange:sipxchange, the directory perms should be 0755 and files should be 0644) I recorded a

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread George Niculae
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: On 7/30/12 2:51 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: in 4.4 moh general (system) is used for MOH in conferences. (system music direcotry is: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/moh, which should be user:group

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
user portal under inbox - conferences On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: ** On 7/30/12 2:51 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: in 4.4 moh general (system) is used for MOH in conferences. (system music direcotry is: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/moh,

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
it would be in the owners voicemail directory, not the systems moh. I thought the question was about MOH. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: ** On 7/30/12 2:51 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: in 4.4 moh general (system) is used for MOH in

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
did not add quotes -- and the URL at the end still has them: [root@sipx ~]# sipxecs-setup --reset-all This will wipe all configuration data from this server. Are you sure? [ enter 'y' or 'n' ] : y Network settings: IP address : 192.168.X.26 Would you like to configure your system's network

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
/var/sipxdata/mediaserver/data/mailstore/subscriber-number/conference On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net wrote: it would be in the owners voicemail directory, not the systems moh. I thought the question was about MOH. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:58 PM,

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/30/12 2:59 PM, George Niculae wrote: You should see it in user portal for conference owner, conference folder cd /var/sipxdata... where? -- Michael Scheidell, CTO o: 561-999-5000 d: 561-948-2259 *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Best Mobile Solutions Product of 2011 *

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
you dont need to access the directory directly, it should be available via the userui... On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net wrote: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/data/mailstore/subscriber-number/conference On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Tony Graziano

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
perhaps re-run the script and manually input the host and sipdomain (instead of hitting enter) to see if it removes the quotes. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Kurt Albershardt k...@nv.net wrote: did not add quotes -- and the URL at the end still has them: [root@sipx ~]# sipxecs-setup

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/30/12 2:59 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: it would be in the owners voicemail directory, not the systems moh. I thought the question was about MOH. user, is 1289 ls inbox 1175-00.sta 1175-00.wav 1175-00.xml [root@sip 1289]# ls -lt inbox total 164 -rw-r--r-- 1 sipxchange

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 7/30/12 3:00 PM, Tony Graziano wrote: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/data/mailstore/subscriber-number/conference cd /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/data/mailstore/1289/conference -bash: cd: /var/sipxdata/mediaserver/data/mailstore/1289/conference: No such file or directory -- Michael Scheidell,

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
Just tried a couple variants of that - first one left the host and domain at default and then I manually typed everything else -- that produced the same result at the end: https://sipx.domain.com; Note spurious double quotes show in the proposed defaults: Enter just the host name of this

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Douglas Hubler
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Kurt Albershardt k...@nv.net wrote: thanks~ We scrape host and domain from /etc/sysconfig/network so it probably *was* wrong there too. That value comes from using the network config tool we launch from the setup-setup script. I say was because we in turn

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
did you have an owner assigned to the conference prior to holding the conference? if not, it would not have been recorded. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Michael Scheidell michael.scheid...@secnap.com wrote: ** On 7/30/12 3:00 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
i might venture a guess that re-running the script and taking the defaults are doing this. if so, it would be incorrect and unwanted behavior. i think in order to open a jira, it needs to be tried against a fresh install and all patched up prior to running, then re-running the script. if it

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
On Jul 30, 2012, at 13:22 , Douglas Hubler wrote: We scrape host and domain from /etc/sysconfig/network so it probably *was* wrong there too. That value comes from using the network config tool we launch from the setup-setup script. I say was because we in turn write it back if

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Scheidell
Yes i did. -- Michael Scheidell, CTO |SECNAP Network Security -Original message- From: Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 19:26:20 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
Happened the first time I ran the script, FWIW. Install was updated 2-3x before I ran setup (due to dependency glitches) so it's not a good test case. I'll re-install on a clean VM and try again. On Jul 30, 2012, at 13:26 , Tony Graziano wrote: i might venture a guess that re-running the

Re: [sipx-users] 4.4.0 fixed conferencing recording

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
the only thing that makes me pause is the fact this was a manual restore from cli. please ensure the directory /var/sipxata/mediaserver/data/mailstore/user and all subdirectories are user:group sipxchange:sipxchange octal 0755 and all files within have the same onwership but octal 644. You might

Re: [sipx-users] Snom 320 phones registering with 4.4 but not with 4.6

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
I don't use snom's but if you could compare the two sipx generated config files to see what is different between them, if anything, it would be worth the look. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kurt Albershardt k...@nv.net wrote: Still no luck getting these to register with 4.6 Phones are

Re: [sipx-users] Problem tranferring calls via an audiocodes gateway to voicemail

2012-07-30 Thread Nathaniel Watkins
Just an update on what I decided to try, which is working. There is a setting in the audiocodes gateway for a blind transfer. I set this to *8. Now they can perform a blind transfer from their CAD (computer aided dispatch) system. The CAD software will be setup to dial *8pauseext and all is

Re: [sipx-users] Snom 320 phones registering with 4.4 but not with 4.6

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
Diffs are below -- first two are expected but don't know much about the MOH URI. On Jul 30, 2012, at 13:45 , Tony Graziano wrote: I don't use snom's but if you could compare the two sipx generated config files to see what is different between them, if anything, it would be worth the look.

Re: [sipx-users] NTP configured as unmanaged in 4.6

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
Still seeing this in the latest builds, FYI. On Jul 17, 2012, at 17:22 , Kurt Albershardt wrote: On the fresh 4.6 install I just started up, the System / Date and Time menu still produces: An internal error has occurred. Click here to continue. The ntp package is installed on the

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
First time running setup script on a freshly built Centos 6 VM: [root@sipx ~]# cat /etc/sysconfig/network NETWORKING=yes GATEWAYDEV=venet0 NETWORKING_IPV6=yes IPV6_DEFAULTDEV=venet0 HOSTNAME=sipx.domain.com [root@sipx ~]# sipxecs-setup Network settings: IP address : 192.168.X.26 Would you

Re: [sipx-users] SSL cert not installed in latest 4.6 build

2012-07-30 Thread Kurt Albershardt
Created http://track.sipfoundry.org/browse/XX-10340 Quite likely a release a blocker, but not my call. On Jul 30, 2012, at 14:05 , Kurt Albershardt wrote: First time running setup script on a freshly built Centos 6 VM: [root@sipx ~]# cat /etc/sysconfig/network NETWORKING=yes

Re: [sipx-users] Snom 320 phones registering with 4.4 but not with 4.6

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Picher
that shouldn't cause a network error with the phone though... On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Tony Graziano tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net wrote: I am not familiar with snom syntax. The MOH uri standard should be: ~~mh~@sipdomain.tld is the typical uri for polycom phones, which use a

Re: [sipx-users] Snom 320 phones registering with 4.4 but not with 4.6

2012-07-30 Thread Tony Graziano
maybe... maybe not. if the ntp times because of the way it is configured (assuming it is misconfigured) out will the snom boot and register? Kind of brings the why ntp is built into sipx to begin with argument back... On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Michael Picher mpic...@ezuce.com wrote: that