[Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kiss Gabor (Bitman)
Folks, Several times in the past years the problem of deleting keys on user request is discussed. E.g. see this thread and remember why should Peter Pramberger get out of business: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2010-09/threads.html#00020 The fundamental problem was that some

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Arnold
On 10/29/2013 11:40 AM, Kiss Gabor (Bitman) wrote: Several times in the past years the problem of deleting keys on user request is discussed. ... The fundamental problem was that some users want their keys to delete from _all_ key servers. What users _want_ is not very relevant (well, sort

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/2013 05:01 AM, Arnold wrote: I also once played with the thought to only store the hash and key fingerprint in the database to satisfy database equality. But, once you update the hash from server A, then server B (not peering with A and

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kiss Gabor (Bitman)
If I remember right, there was a situation that Alice created a key with the name of Bob. Bob complained to the key server operator, but he is not able to modify the key Alice created. So, the key server operator should be the one who disables retrieval of the key. Uhmm... :-( Judge must

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/29/2013 02:07 PM, Kiss Gabor (Bitman) wrote: If I remember right, there was a situation that Alice created a key with the name of Bob. Bob complained to the key server operator, but he is not able to modify the key Alice created. So, the

Re: [Sks-devel] Recon Details

2013-10-29 Thread Thomas Spycher
Oukay i see, this is fairly complex… But thanks for pointing to the hockeypuck Project! Is this project under heavy development or is it already running in production? Thanks Tom On 28 Oct 2013, at 22:35, Phil Pennock sks-devel-p...@spodhuis.org wrote: On 2013-10-28 at 15:59 +0100, Thomas

Re: [Sks-devel] Status flags are red

2013-10-29 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 10/28/2013 08:22 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: I use StartCom for my SSL CA provider and they allow SANs to be added for SNI. I don't think that startcom is an appropriate CA for the current hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net. In the current setup, anyone who has configured keyserver

Re: [Sks-devel] MD5 hash generation/verify of a public key

2013-10-29 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/29/2013 04:00 PM, Thomas Spycher wrote: Hi, can someone explain how the hash of a key gets generated? Like this one here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x3E08F9F5op=indexhash=on (E28699538B7DC44107355DA4924987AC) See

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/29/2013 10:36 PM, dirk astrath wrote: Hello, Hi The issue is the storage of personal data in worldwide databases without the possibility to get them deleted. German law enables everybody to get their data removed from databases. No

[Sks-devel] Possible solution to delete keys

2013-10-29 Thread dirk astrath
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello again ;-) I understand the issue, that keys shouldn't be deleted from the database. They should be revoked only and kept in the database. Therefore i propose the following: No matter, if a key is revoked or not, it should not be able to

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread dirk astrath
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Kristian, Not gonna comment too much on this, but a general note is a question on what constitute personal data, in my experience name and email isn't included, but IANAL. As i wrote in my email: The combination of email and name are

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Arnold
On 10/29/2013 03:51 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: On 10/29/2013 03:47 PM, Arnold wrote: On 10/29/2013 02:30 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: The discussion gets even more interesting when dealing with revoked keys. If an attacker (with compromised secret key material) is given the

Re: [Sks-devel] Possible solution to delete keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/29/2013 10:59 PM, dirk astrath wrote: Hello again ;-) I understand the issue, that keys shouldn't be deleted from the database. They should be revoked only and kept in the database. ... I suggest to sign the to-be-deleted-key with

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/29/2013 11:04 PM, dirk astrath wrote: Hello Kristian, ... . If there is no private key needed and no verification done everybody can generate keys with every combination of name and email-adress, generated at random dates and upload

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread dirk astrath
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Kristian, This is why you have key validation requirements and signatures/certification. The existence of a key doesn't bind that key to a specific individual, no matter what the UID says. Wrong ... the unique email-adress is the problem

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Arnold
On 10/29/2013 11:25 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: On 10/29/2013 11:05 PM, Arnold wrote: I deliberately separate the two. First thing is the possibility to hide / remove / whatever a key from a network of individual and independent key servers (operating under different local laws). If that

Re: [Sks-devel] About deleting keys

2013-10-29 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/29/2013 11:48 PM, Arnold wrote: On 10/29/2013 11:25 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: On 10/29/2013 11:05 PM, Arnold wrote: ... The scalability I was talking about was about the existence of multiple servers in multiple countries (to have

Re: [Sks-devel] Possible solution to delete keys

2013-10-29 Thread Gabor Kiss
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, dirk astrath wrote: I suggest to sign the to-be-deleted-key with a special signature, which causes the personal data of this key not to be displayed. http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2012-05/msg00153.html :-)