Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Melinda Green
I agree that usage data would provide an important missing piece to these discussions. I proposed a solution previously but not in this forum: Basically we could easily add a logging call to the base class of the component library that records a count for each human action on each UI element. T

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Moriz Gupte
I am thinking that this little issue we are discussing is a symptom of a systemic problem: how a UI is created and how it evolves. So it probably requires a new thread, but for continuity am keeping it here. I think we should try to find a generic way that if applied, might actually reduce the 'no

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Dahlia Trimble
Somehow I think it should go into the voice chat tab of the preferences dialog along with the rest of the voice preferences. I have reason to believe that many voice users become familiar with that dialog. I've been selling a LSL based lip sync system for over a year now and it has a semi-transpare

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Philip Rosedale
I'd like to see an implementation of turning on and off the lip sync feature that can be user tested to demonstrate that a new user of SL could be instructed to "Turn off the moving lips" and easy turn the feature off within 30 seconds or so. I agree that a software developer, or someone who

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Philip Rosedale
I think that right direction is to assume that the majority of usage would favor having it on, but that it should be easy to turn off. Ron Blechner wrote: We are still at the point where the 'uncanny valley' nature of the feature can make it unnerving, and that problem is unlikely to be easil

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Andromeda Quonset
Jumping in here on this conversation.. I am finding it incredible that a new feature would be suggested, be enabled by default, and then have it decided to not have a way of disabling the feature in preferences because someone thinks preferences menu is so crowded. If the lip sync "featur

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Jonathan Bishop
Q Said... "Given the excessive complexity of the preferences dialog already, we should take every opportunity to remove things from prefs, and there should be a VERY high bar for adding anything to prefs. It's all too easy for open projects to grow massive preferences systems and configura

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Tateru Nino
Perhaps the basic direction that this seems to be going in is that the preferences system needs a hard look at. Many applications have an order of magnitude more options than the SL viewer -- but their preferences UI and the organization of preferences and categories of preferences (and sometim

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Ron Blechner
Yeah, it'd be like saying, "Let's not put cruise control in a car because we can't figure out where to put the button." I don't see the need to put it in preferences at all, as it's such an integral feature with voice. But that question seems ... secondary ... to whether lipsync is on by default.

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Moriz Gupte
Gordon, let's look at history. Color TVs. In particular, evolution from black and white TV to color TV. My grandma used to have a color TV set. It had all kinds of controls that I cannot dream of having today. The controls reflected the unanticipated technological features that got injected into th

Re: [sldev] VWR-10311 Enabling lip sync by default

2009-05-02 Thread Gordon Wendt
Kent, then don't put it on by default. You can't really have it both ways, if you have it on by default then there has to be an easy way to turn it on and off and advanced is not an easy way. I agree that prefs is already overcrowded but if you can't spare room in prefs for new items then maybe S

[sldev] Anyone from the time of Dynamic Reflections still here?

2009-05-02 Thread Tigro Spottystripes
I would like to know what happened exactly, at first it worked perfectly for me, then it stopped being supported cause it was crashing some people, then it started working worse and worse for me and eventually I couldn't even find it on the client at all. Is any Linden around that was around back w