Re: [SLUG] Firewalls

2003-02-13 Thread Umar Goldeli
To add to this, and looking at it from a few steps back, one can summarize the base functionality of a firewall as something which "sits in between various areas of a network (or networks) with differing levels of trust and enforces the semantics of these levels". //umar. > A firewall is not so m

Re: [SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 14 Feb 2003 3:20 pm, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > Use the -p option to tar to preserve stuff.. there's a few more options in > the tar manpage that do all sorts of preserving permissions, owners, types, > etc. My understanding is that is only for extracti

Re: [SLUG] Firewalls

2003-02-13 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 14 Feb 2003 11:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've been using straight iptables rules for firewalling. I'm educated in > security, and am wondering how firewall rules applied straight to the > kernel via iptables/netfilter compare and contrast with

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. > > > > Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, > > depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... > > That has nothing to do with backup though. It's 100% about disk redundancy, > and t

Re: [SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread dazza
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, David wrote: > I'm currently using CD's for backup. Has anyone any experience using DVD > for the same purpose? Is there any way to get around tar'ing so that > permissions are properly preserved on CD/DVD? Is there any reason that DVD > is a bad idea? Simple. Lack of standar

Re[2]: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Graeme Robinson
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, evilbunny wrote: > Hello Graeme, > > >> The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without > >> backup.. > > GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. > > Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, > dependin

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. > > Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, > depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... That has nothing to do with backup though. It's 100% about disk redundancy, and that is all RAI

Re[2]: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread evilbunny
Hello Graeme, >> The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without >> backup.. GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... -

Re: [SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, David wrote: >for the same purpose? Is there any way to get around tar'ing so that >permissions are properly preserved on CD/DVD? Is there any reason that DVD Use the -p option to tar to preserve stuff.. there's a few more options in the tar manpage that do all sorts o

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Graeme Robinson
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, David wrote: > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without > backup.. RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-

[SLUG] Top Posting [Was: Hard Drives]

2003-02-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> And, BTW, Jon - top posting sucks. :-) :-) A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? - Nick Moffitt - Jeff -- "The plural of lego is legouch, from when you tread on those plural on the floor in bare feet." - Telsa Gwynne -- SLU

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread dazza
On 13 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: > Bit expensive - check the prices on www.programmersparadise.com.au - I > think that size is about $153. > > Jon > > > OK so I am getting a new harddrive (as a second HD) from my local PC store, and > > am thinking of a 40gb (or 60gb) Seagate 7200rpm 3y for $179

Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Jon Biddell
As far as I am aware, yes... Take a look at www.programmersparadise.com.au, they have it on their front page... Jon > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:33:58PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: > > If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL > > formats (+-R/RW) > > Does it run under l

[SLUG] In need of servers

2003-02-13 Thread evilbunny
Hello slug, Slightly not about linux, but I'm currently trying to source reasonably priced 1RU servers in Sydney (which will run debian) however I don't seem to be able to get any anymore for less then about $2.5k to $3k... They will be primarily used for web and email serving, and only

Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread mlh
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:33:58PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: > If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL > formats (+-R/RW) Does it run under linux ok? For all formats? Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/

Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Jon Biddell
If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL formats (+-R/RW) Jon > David wrote: > > ...snip.. > > >Is there any reason that DVD is a bad idea? > > My current understanding is that there isn't a common DVD writer > standard at the moment. So you are going to be boun

Re: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses

2003-02-13 Thread Carl G Lewis
See: http://info.ccone.at/INFO/Mail-Archives/redhat/Dec-2002/msg00514.html Actually my /etc/sysconfig/i18n now looks like: LANG="en_US" SUPPORTED="en_US:en:pt_BR:pt" SYSFONT="iso01.16" #LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" #SUPPORTED="en_AU.UTF-8:en_AU:en:en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en" #SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" HTH

[SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses

2003-02-13 Thread Daniel Harper
I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however I am having problems with make menuconfig. Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed properly. Any ideas? A ncurses

RE: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses

2003-02-13 Thread Daniel Harper
Running it from a console (no X installed) Turns out that if I ssh using putty it works sort of fine. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Wienand Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 11:09 AM To: Daniel Harper Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj

[SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Terry Collins
David wrote: ...snip.. >Is there any reason that DVD is a bad idea? My current understanding is that there isn't a common DVD writer standard at the moment. So you are going to be bound to a proprietary DVD writer, which if it looses out and disappears from the means that your backups are on

[SLUG] Firewalls

2003-02-13 Thread mkraus
G'day all, I've noticed that there are a number of firewall products discussed on this list. I've been using straight iptables rules for firewalling. I'm educated in security, and am wondering how firewall rules applied straight to the kernel via iptables/netfilter compare and contrast with us

RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux

2003-02-13 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 11:16, Jon Biddell wrote: And if you download Bering from the leaf.sourceforge.net site you have an excellent Shorewall-based one floppy firewall that runs neat on an old 486. > Hey - download the "two interfaces" example, uncomment ONE line in the > 'rules' files, and you h

[SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread David
I'm currently using CD's for backup. Has anyone any experience using DVD for the same purpose? Is there any way to get around tar'ing so that permissions are properly preserved on CD/DVD? Is there any reason that DVD is a bad idea? On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Terry Collins wrote: > Adam W wrote: > > >

RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux

2003-02-13 Thread Jon Biddell
Hey - download the "two interfaces" example, uncomment ONE line in the 'rules' files, and you have a fully functional firewall... So it's not PERFECT, but it's a damn sight better than what a lot of people have been using, like ZoneAlarm...:-( And it's a LOT easier to understand than iptables for

Re: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses

2003-02-13 Thread Ian Wienand
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 09:18:38AM +1100, Daniel Harper wrote: > > I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however > I am having problems with make menuconfig. > > Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and > the selection displays (Th

Re: [SLUG] clicky clicky firewalls

2003-02-13 Thread dazza
On 9 Feb 2003, James Gregory wrote: > I was just asked for recommendations of a good linux distro to run as a > router/firewall. The user in question wants a gui type thing to > configure it with. He has been using IPCop, and says it has some > shortcomings. I was a little surprised that the short

RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux

2003-02-13 Thread dazza
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: > Also take a look at www.shorewall.net - and the config file comments... I can vouch for that one - I just installed Mandrake 9 {off an APC disk - sue me} which comes with Shorewall installed - I have to say I'm damn impressed with its flexibility and versa

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Terry Collins
Adam W wrote: > > Then again - you may find your tapes are buggered and cant retrieve any > data off that either! Shhez People! It is a standard part of admin work to regularly test your backup is working. You should run a restore at least monthly. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread John Clarke
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:14:19AM +1100, Adam W wrote: > > > > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID > > > without backup. > > > > ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. > > Although, it does protect you from a blown motor in one of the drives

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 14 Feb 2003 10:09 am, John Clarke wrote: > ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. Agreed. And backup *with* RAID'ed SCSI disks is better still. Jon, I am *so* thankful for that Netstrada of yours! cheers, Chris - -- Chri

RE: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Adam W
> > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID > > without backup. > > ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. Although, it does protect you from a blown motor in one of the drives - without losing a day/week/months data. Then again - you may find you

Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:24:00PM +1100, David wrote: > I went to the trouble of installing a hardware RAID card (anyone want to > buy it?). When the data on one drive was corrupted by a drive fault, the > other drive dutifully mirrored it so I had TWO corrupted sets of data. Software RAID will

[SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses

2003-02-13 Thread Daniel Harper
I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however I am having problems with make menuconfig. Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed properly. Any ideas? A ncurses

RE: [SLUG] apt failure

2003-02-13 Thread James_Gray
Adam, Not sure if this will help, but try setting "http_proxy" and/or "ftp_proxy" to your gateway address (or ip.ip.ip.ip:port if you do actually have a proxy server on your network) - it fixed the same problem I was having behind a NAT'ing firewall. In other words: bash/korn/sh # export http_

[SLUG] apt failure

2003-02-13 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Adam" == Adam Hewitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Adam> Hi All, I have tried over the last few weeks to install various Adam> packages from unstable and although some packages download, most Adam> of them give me the following errors: This happens when the mirror is not quite up-to-date. T

RE: [SLUG] Hard Drives

2003-02-13 Thread Matt M
At 16:54 13/02/2003, David wrote: yes.. but what about reliability? is there a difference? I need two new drives, but I much prefer reliability to size (I'm told that size isn't everything ;-) David I've got two of those Seagate drives (60GB). They're a little slower than, say, the newest

[SLUG] apt failure

2003-02-13 Thread Adam Hewitt
Hi All, I have tried over the last few weeks to install various packages from unstable and although some packages download, most of them give me the following errors: Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libc6-dev 2.3.1-11 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main locales 2.3

Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend

2003-02-13 Thread Ben de Luca
I replied of list before, But ill relate my problems now, I remeber a little bit more now. I was using a toshiba laptop last year whilst I was on a contract job. I was running redhat 7.3 and after installing gnome 2 through ximian desktop. I found the described problem. I also installed redhat 8.0