Re: [SLUG] Cloning LINUX ghost 7.5 & linux ....will ver. 7.5 support Redhat9 with lilo boot loader

2004-06-02 Thread CaT
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 03:49:46PM +1000, The Salisburys wrote: > http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/e44a397a948bb43e85256952006d83d1/b343f521f647fd1b88256caf00755887?OpenDocument&src=bar_sch_nam > > Also is there any product in linux that is as feature rich as ghost ? Don't know abou

[SLUG] Cloning LINUX ghost 7.5 & linux ....will ver. 7.5 support Redhat9 with lilo boot loader

2004-06-02 Thread The Salisburys
Cloning LINUX   Hi all   Useful table for reference on link below.   It appears that Ghost ver 8 supports GRUB & Redhat9  with filesystem EXT3. Has anyone had success with ver 7.5  Redhat9   with  a lilo boot loader ? THe table excludes ver 7.5 & Redhat9!     http://service1.symantec.com/SUP

[SLUG] openpkg

2004-06-02 Thread Robert Tillsley
Hi people Does anyone have any experience in installing openpkg for debian sarge? When I try using the woody script that comes with kolab (openpkg-20030606-20030606.ix86linux2.4-kol.sh) I receive several errors, eg + $'\r' : command not found20030606.ix86-linux2.4-kol.sh line 26: I'm using kerne

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Andrew Cowie
I'd just like to say that this has been one of the most interesting, informative, rational and useful discussions I have yet seen on this topic anywhere. My compliments to Michael for asking such an insightfully prepared question, and to Ken, Simon, Jeff, Del, Stuart, Paul, Dave, Mike, Mary, Roge

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Roger Barnes wrote: > If you learn a technique to _do_ something, then I think that is a > skill that belongs to you, in your head. (We might be entering the > evil, murky patent territory here, run for it!) I don't think it's so much patents as this kind of scenario: you wor

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 13:26, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > > Yes, but most people 'start out' with complete copyright on their > > works. Either the point was moot or he was confused. > > It's not "their work" that seems to be the issue, although he used that

RE: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Roger Barnes
> well I believe this is actually theft.. if you lift a source > directory from your employer and it magically becomes part of > an OSS project (or your own proprietary project) without > their permission then you have really stolen the code.. ... snip ... To debate this issue effectively, one

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > Yes, but most people 'start out' with complete copyright on their > works. Either the point was moot or he was confused. It's not "their work" that seems to be the issue, although he used that phrase. His post makes sense if you substitute "their produc

[SLUG] Looking for Voice "Modem" recommendations

2004-06-02 Thread Peter Rundle
Sluggers, I'm looking for recommendations for voice "modems" under linux for use with a vgetty based application. I say "modems" because I'm not looking for data or fax "modulation" I'm only interested the voice capability and quality for an automated message system. I've looked on the vgetty s

Re: [SLUG] Autofs probs with 6 in 1 card reader

2004-06-02 Thread Paul Robinson
Hi Dave, I've got it linking the devices /dev/sda - /dev/sdd. I just can't get autofs to detect that there's media there to automount it. That site will come in handy though for if I get a firewire drive and try and do the same thing with that. Cheers, Paul - Original Message - From: "D

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Paul Forrester
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:18, Stuart Guthrie wrote: > It's an tricky area. too right!! > If I employed a person and found all/some of the > work I paid them to write ended up in an OSS project they were also part > of, I might be rightfully upset. well I believe this is actually theft.. if you l

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 12:04, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:31, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > You do have to note that these are companies that started with > > > complete copyright on their works, > > > > I think you're confusing copyrigh

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: > On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:31, Dave Airlie wrote: > > You do have to note that these are companies that started with > > complete copyright on their works, > > I think you're confusing copyright with licensing. Most OSS programs > are copyright their auth

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software > > companies that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == > > Free and Open Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) > > You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete > cop

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:31, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies > > that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open > > Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) > > You do have to note that th

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies > that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open > Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete copyright on th

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
> The whole business model for a 'software house' is not necessarily there > in FOSS/OSS yet. Please, please contradict me. Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open Source Software, yo

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Stuart Guthrie
It's an tricky area. If I employed a person and found all/some of the work I paid them to write ended up in an OSS project they were also part of, I might be rightfully upset. On the other hand, having employees learn and develop on OSS projects makes them much better employees. I would want all d

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Del
Michael Knight wrote: Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Then you should (a) not have signed tha

RE: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietarysoftware

2004-06-02 Thread Visser, Martin
My company basically owns my IT brain while I am employed for them, so anything I develop in an area of HP's business is considered theirs. This might seem restricting to some, but they do have a specific program which allows HP employees to register their involvement in OSS projects. Involveme

RE: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Roger Barnes
As Simon said, it depends on the wording. My employment contract _was_ sufficiently vague that they could claim rights to one's gourmet pizza recipes developed at home if they wanted. I had a couple of meetings with my boss and HR and had the wording changed for my whole department (we're a de

[SLUG] Invitation to IPSI-2004 VENICE and IPSI-2004 PRAGUE, vip/ka

2004-06-02 Thread IPSI-2004
Dear Dr. Slug, This is an invitation for you to attend two IPSI BgD multidisciplinary and interdisciplinary conferences, one in Venice, and one in Prague, as follows: IPSI-2004 VENICE Venice, Italy (arrival: 10.11.2004. departure: 14.11.2004.) Deadlines: 15 June 2004 (abstract) + 1 August 2004 (

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I've had a bit of a look at http://www.sage-au.org.au/osda/ and a few > other places, but would be interested to hear from the list about people > who are/were in similar situations and/or have some good suggestions as to > how I can convince my boss to add some of those nice clauses to my > co

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Michael Knight wrote: > I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small > business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that > anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the > property of the company. > > Obvio

Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Ken Foskey
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 23:53, Michael Knight wrote: > A workmate and I have talked with him about it before but he seems to > think that if we're programming in our spare time we'll be too tired or > we'll be thinking about our other projects during work time. Outside work it is your time and yo

[SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Knight
Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Obviously this is legally a severe hindrance to me helping o

Re: [SLUG] Autofs probs with 6 in 1 card reader

2004-06-02 Thread David Kempe
Paul Robinson wrote: files and CD's show up ok, but the smart media doesn't. Is it something to do with the devices being scsi devices that won't allow them to be auto detected? I dunno about this particular problem, but I have had to use the rescan-scsi-bus.sh script when using firewire drives

Re: [SLUG] Linux on a Toshiba Satellite A30

2004-06-02 Thread David Gillies
From the boot prompt of Fedora (or any other redhat linux for that matter) try putting in "linux text noprobe" and see how you go. Ben Donohue wrote: Hi Andres, try doing a text based install rather than a gui install. it's one of the options when you initially start it up. I think from memory y

Re: [SLUG] Linux on a Toshiba Satellite A30

2004-06-02 Thread Ben Donohue
Hi Andres, try doing a text based install rather than a gui install. it's one of the options when you initially start it up. I think from memory you can press F1 for more options??? (this could be wrong) it's been a while but textonly may be an option. anyway have a look around at the initial s

[SLUG] Autofs probs with 6 in 1 card reader

2004-06-02 Thread Paul Robinson
Hi all,   Got a new pc set up which has a 6 in 1 card reader. I've got everything configured to the point where I can manually mount media, however I can't get autofs to work.   I've been following this guide primarily : http://www.linux-sxs.org/hardware/flashreaders.html   For testing purpos

[SLUG] Linux on a Toshiba Satellite A30

2004-06-02 Thread gonny
Hi all,   I am having problems installing Linux on my Toshiba Satellite A30. I have tried a few distributions and all seem to have problems. At the moment I am trying to install Fedore Core 2 and as soon as I get to the first installation screen which asks if I want to test the media I lose

[SLUG] Virus Found in message "Hi"

2004-06-02 Thread advice
Symantec AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment you ([EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) sent to advice. To ensure the recipient(s) are able to use the files you sent, perform a virus scan on your computer, clean any infected files, then resend this attachment. Attachment: document_all02