I got another email about them, so i finally made a site.... http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/usrpages/Dean/synoptics.html Id appreciate any links, pics and info you may have. Dean -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug