Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-09 Thread Jon Biddell
At 08:39 AM 8/9/00 , DaZZa wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Who died and made you god, Rick? The King. He's not dead, he's running the 7/11 at Hornsby! Thank you very much... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

Re: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread Jason Rennie
Not to rain on your parade or anthing, but for what it is worth, Optus has exactly this sort of a problem at the moment, with too many of there users trying to use all of the bandwidth at once and run it as fast as they can 24/7. Cable is a rather different beast to a dial up modem,

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Jason Rennie
By the way, assuming I'll be connecting to Telstra for ADSL is pretty dumb - because I may not. There _are_ other options, despite your obvious ignorance of them. Just on this note when i talked to the telstra guy about getting on the adsl trial they said that there would/should be other ADSL

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread David Kempe
what? yeah, yeah. Piss off and rub it in, why don'tcha? DaZZa - no ADSL in Hornsby. :-( What? I checked on the telstra site and it would be there for me. My ph no starts with 9477 if that makes a difference. BTW, does ADSL stand for Asyncronous or Asymmetric DSL? Dave -- SLUG - Sydney

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread Jason Rennie
BTW, does ADSL stand for Asyncronous or Asymmetric DSL? Awesome DSL ;) Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

Re: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread Roland Turner
Jason Rennie wrote: Cable is a rather different beast to a dial up modem, and the usage etc is more open to abuse (as optus has discovered), so i think your comaprision doesn't really work that well. ADSL is open to exactly the same kind of abuse. Failure to restrain abusers is

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread John Wiltshire
From: David Kempe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] BTW, does ADSL stand for Asyncronous or Asymmetric DSL? Asymmetric. It has a different speed upstream to downstream. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

Re: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread Chris MacKenzie
John Wiltshire wrote: From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Not to rain on your parade or anthing, but for what it is worth, Optus has exactly this sort of a problem at the moment, with too many of there users trying to use all of the bandwidth at once and run it as fast as they can

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Steve Kowalik
Guys, ihug is trialing ADSL as well, so there is a choice coming. Steve "First, it's done on UNIX, then done on Windows. It's always the way..." On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Jason Rennie wrote: By the way, assuming I'll be connecting to

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Roland Turner
Andrew Macks wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Roland Turner wrote: The local cable loop _can_ be a bottleneck, but the pressures that bring this about are commercial, not technical. Likely circumstances include: - Optus has grossly underprovisioned and is being swamped with business.

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Roland Turner
DaZZa wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Roland Turner wrote: The difference between ADSL and HFC systems is that HFC system uses a _shared_ carrier - it's more of a broadcast system - and ADSL is a _direct_ connection - you get your 1.5 meg ALL the time - not just when none of your

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-08 Thread DaZZa
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, David Kempe wrote: yeah, yeah. Piss off and rub it in, why don'tcha? DaZZa - no ADSL in Hornsby. :-( What? I checked on the telstra site and it would be there for me. My ph no starts with 9477 if that makes a difference. I checked today - 9482 is both my numbers - not

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread DaZZa
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Roland Turner wrote: I have the impression that Dazza's point is subtly different: his viewpoint appears (to me) to be that if you choose cable you will get poorer service because you are using a shared access medium whereas if you choose ADSL you will get better service

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, DaZZa wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Just on this note when i talked to the telstra guy about getting on the Bullocks. This is the most off-topic rant I've seen for a long time. Can it. Who died and made you god, Rick? The King. --

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Terry Collins
Rick Welykochy wrote: Who died and made you god, Rick? The King. Fscking monarchists! -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.woa.com.au or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WOA Computer Services lan/wan, linux/unix,

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread James Wilkinson
On Tue, 08 Aug 2000, Rick Welykochy generated: This is the most off-topic rant I've seen for a long time. To everyone who's sick of this thread, my apologies. I'll try not to let off a misinformed rant in the future -- well, not on this list, anyway :) -- jamesw "I've been up before. I've

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread Jon Biddell
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Terry Collins wrote: -=Fscking monarchists! And which version of fsck would that be, Terry ???...:-) -- Regards, Jon - "It is irresponsible to allow a Windows machine to be connected to the

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-08 Thread DaZZa
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Who died and made you god, Rick? The King. He's not dead, he's running the 7/11 at Hornsby! :-) DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug

[SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement

2000-08-07 Thread John Ferlito
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet since in the ADSL thread since I've been quickly reading over it but telstra have slashed the bandwidth on the cable service. Cable connections will now have max bandwidth of 256k rather than 400k.

Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement

2000-08-07 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 05:11:14PM +1000, John Ferlito wrote: Not sure if anyone has posted this yet since in the ADSL thread since I've been quickly reading over it but telstra have slashed the bandwidth on the cable service. Cable connections will now have max bandwidth of

Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement

2000-08-07 Thread DaZZa
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, John Ferlito wrote: Not sure if anyone has posted this yet since in the ADSL thread since I've been quickly reading over it but telstra have slashed the bandwidth on the cable service. Cable connections will now have max bandwidth of 256k rather than 400k.

Re: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread DaZZa
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, James Wilkinson wrote: Cable connections will now have max bandwidth of 256k rather than 400k. Apologies to everyone who's explained why O@H is no good for them but: why would you bother at all with telescum? I mean... optus cable is download capped at 3Mbit, like

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread John Wiltshire
From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, James Wilkinson wrote: Cable connections will now have max bandwidth of 256k rather than 400k. Apologies to everyone who's explained why O@H is no good for them but: why would you bother at all with telescum? I

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread John Wiltshire
From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This is based on the somewhat false assumption that all people are using their full bandwidth all of the time. Given that the average ISP has at least 10 users per modem and at least 10 times the number of modems that their external bandwidth

Re: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread John Wiltshire
From: "DaZZa" [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: Sure - 2 meg - SHARED_ access - and if you have, say, 20 people on each cable segment - that 2 meg disappears pretty quickly. This is based on the somewhat false assumption that all people are using their

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread jon
Quoting DaZZa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Jason Rennie wrote: DaZZa - who'll still be going ADSL if Telstra makes it available in his area. Already there and it rips along :) yeah, yeah. Piss off and rub it in, why don'tcha? DaZZa - no ADSL in Hornsby. :-( Don't you

RE: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread DaZZa
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Jason Rennie wrote: DaZZa - no ADSL in Hornsby. :-( They aren't planning to roll it out there when the trial finishes in september ? Stuff September - I want it _now_! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-07 Thread Roland Turner
DaZZa wrote: The difference between ADSL and HFC systems is that HFC system uses a _shared_ carrier - it's more of a broadcast system - and ADSL is a _direct_ connection - you get your 1.5 meg ALL the time - not just when none of your neighbours are using the net as well as you. That's a

Re: ADSL rant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement)

2000-08-07 Thread Roland Turner
Jason Rennie wrote: Not to rain on your parade or anthing, but for what it is worth, Optus has exactly this sort of a problem at the moment, with too many of there users trying to use all of the bandwidth at once and run it as fast as they can 24/7. Cable is a rather different beast to a

Re: ADSL is not a direct connection to *The*Internet* (Was: ADSLrant (was: Re: [SLUG] Telstra Cable Anouncement))

2000-08-07 Thread DaZZa
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Roland Turner wrote: The difference between ADSL and HFC systems is that HFC system uses a _shared_ carrier - it's more of a broadcast system - and ADSL is a _direct_ connection - you get your 1.5 meg ALL the time - not just when none of your neighbours are using the