The very first inside page of the latest issue of "Model Airplane News" shows a selection of ARF sailplanes. Looks like Hobby Shack. I have a few questions: What's the quality like - will they take a good launch? Where do they come from? What about the Optima Pro with rudder, elevator, ailerons and spoilers? Are these really available now or is there a long, long wait before you can hold one in your hand? Regarding the last question, there seems to be a practice among hobby suppliers of announcing a product long, long, before it's truly available.(Yes, I know all about software vendors and vaporware) Perhaps they should harken to the words of one of the Chicago Bears: "Don't let your mouth write a check your behind can't cash". Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]