I used to be a thumb flier, but the ol' WinchDoc cured me a long time ago. He also got me out of the Coupled aileron & rudder habit, too. Check his website for opinionated facts!!! http://members.xoom.com/winchdoc/xcontrl.html Doug RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]