!!!Right Tip Panel Loss!!!
OK! Now I see what your saying. Right Rudder  to gain speed than Left rudder
to pull out of dive and keep the right short wing higher till you can get it
down.  The Right rudder threw me. So if you have plenty of speed just go to
the Left rudder to keep the short wing up.
Larry Taylor  KF6JBG
Assistant CD
CVRC Visalia Fall Festival 2003
Oct 4th & 5th
Club Web is http://www.cvrcsoaring.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ewilson12000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Larry Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Question on the Death Spiral from Tip Pannel Loss


Larry
That is what I did. With a lot of height right rudder and full down
gave me enough speed for the short wing side to support the plane.
Then I pulled up to raise the nose and full LEFT rudder was used to
hold the wing up. Speed was the secret here. Had to have enough lift
to support the short wing side. This took a lot of speed. Since I was
near the top of the launch I had a slim chance.
It was all over in seconds. The dive looked more like a vertical
barrel row instead of a spin. If a spin was allow to happen there
would have been no chance of pulling it out as the rudder would have
been blocked out from any air going over it. It was the down elevator
that made it work. The pullout was at less than 20 foot altitude and
the plane was going like a bat out of hell. I hope this doesn't
confuse you and on another plane with a less effective rudder it may
not work and at lower launch height it would not have worked either.
I was lucky this time. In 30+ years flying sailplanes this is the
third time I have had something like this happen. Only second
successful save. If I was you I would not worry about it too much.
Once every ten years is not too bad.
Edwin Wilson

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Larry Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Question??  Why would you want to roll your sailplane into the
short wing
> when you lost your tip on that side??
>   I have not had this happen to myself. I've seen it and every time
they
> have saved there plane. Am I wrong in my thinking. I always thought
that you
> need to keep the short wing high and the long normal wing low.
>  I go over in my head what to do if something happens before I go
and fly..
> If I get a early Pop Off what do I do? A late Pop Off what do I
do?. If the
> retrieval line hangs up on the Elevator, what do I do?. If I get
radio
> interference what do I do? If the Tip breaks off what do I do?.
When flying
> a power plane and its going to crash  I Kill The Engine before it
hits but
> that not used here. I answer these question to myself so that its
fresh in
> my mind When something happens I don't want to think about it to
long I want
> to react to it by planning ahead.
>   If Edwin is correct in what he said he did. My sailplane would be
in the
> ground if it had happen to me.
>   Is he right ? Or his my planning right?
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:58 AM
> Subject: [RCSE] WARNING BOT ARF PROBLEMS
> First launch at the Nat's ( I was tapping and NOT pulling hard )in
a 15 mph
> wind and the right outer panel blew off. I was able with FULL right
rudder
> and a lot of down to get some control back and prevent the death
spiral.
> > Edwin Wilson
> >
>
>
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