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Subject: RE:
Visalia Woody Class
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Date: Mon, July 24,
2006 11:33 am
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Hi Kevin,
Sorry to take so long to reply. The reponses I received from
Phil Hill, the CD, are given below. Basically it is an RES
class without any molded stuff.
Personally: This is a STUPID new class. It is a crutch
for those who can't buy Composite RES ships, as still rules out every
wood ship that ever had flaps/ailerons in nostalgia class. If you
look at Question 6, you can see that most do not know anything about
nostalgia/wood ships. Question 12 indicates that a concensus
is that ALL old nostalgia ships ONLY WERE
RES. Not So.
I know I will be on the "HIT list" once this reply is received by
all, but it no different than those who complain that molded RES class
ships are taking over. It might have been better to just place
all molded ships greater than 2M in open class. I have flown my
Graupner Cirrus for more than 5 years at Visalia, both in Open as well
as RES, so I am well aware of the issues. Additionally, the
Cirrus is a straight winged, dihedral RES ship, so I also have wondered
whether is could even compete in the "Bent Wing" RES class too.
Straight wings do not equal bent wing polys. You never
know.
If the "Woody" Class was open for designs, I was looking into
building a very large, flapped RES ship. Now I will probably just
build a wood ship, and fly it in OPEN. What the heck, if I can do
well in that class with a wood ship designed for floating and landing,
it may open a few eyes.
Good Luck with your new designs.
Thermals,
Chris Adams
LSF 348 LvL 5 (#8)
<SNIP>
See the answer at the end of each question. The Woody class is
for the guy who
wants to fly like it was before the hi-tech crap
ruined the affordable
sailplane. I retained the OPEN RES for those
who want to fly RES but still throw
lots of bucks at it. I think you
can figure it out as you go. Just think back to
the early eighties
type of sailplane and you will be OK. I will be the
final
judge.
Phil
> Can you please give us some guidelines for
the Woody Class?
>
> 1) No wood sheeted foam wings?
YES
> 2) Built-up wings with CF spar
reinforcments only? YES
> 3) Can you CF reinforce a Balsa
Leading and Trailing Edge? NO
> 4) Wing
ribs can't be CF capped? NO
> 5) Are all
Czech-type designed planes, e. g. Ava's, Ravins, Photons, not
>
permitted in the class? CORRECT
> 6) Can
you fly a woody Todi, Maestro? Do they meet the
requirements?
> 7) All functions permitted?
RES ONLY
> 8) Fuselages can be CF, FG, Pod
and Boom, etc? YES
> 9) R/E's must be built up
and of wood? Same types of construction as
wings?
YES
> 10) Is there some kind of
Builder of the model rule? I. E. Can perkins buy
> his ARF
ship from Hobby lobby? As long as it meets the woody
calssification
it's OK
> 11) Who is going to
measure/police the models? The biggest assholes at CVRC,
ME &
Claude Turner
> 12) What other limitations? No water
ballast?? Come on lets get real here
this is for the guy who
just wants to compete like it used to be. If you want
this type of
crap fly RES OPEN
>
> Are you trying to get
people to once again design and build wood planes?YES,
Is it not
obvious.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Adams
> LSF 348 LvL 5 (#8)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:
Visalia
From: "Chris Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Mon, July 24, 2006 11:09 am
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>From:
"Kevin Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Chris Adams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Visalia
>Date:
Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:21:41
-0700
>
>Chris:
>
>Did you ever get an answer
from Phil? Also, do you know if one flies
>multiple events
if they can use different frequencies? I emailed Phil but
>haven't got an answer.
>
>Kevin Webb
>LSVF
V
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>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:17
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>Subject: Re:
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>>Phil,
>>
>>Can you
please give us some guidelines for the Woody
Class?
>>
>>1) No wood sheeted foam
wings?
>>2) Built-up wings with CF spar reinforcments
only?
>>3) Can you CF reinforce a Balsa Leading and
Trailing Edge?
>>4) Wing ribs can't be CF
capped?
>>5) Are all Czech-type designed planes, e. g.
Ava's, Ravins, Photons, not
>>permitted in the
class?
>>6) Can you fly a woody Todi,
Maestro?
>>7) All functions permitted?
>>8)
Fuselages can be CF, FG, Pod and Boom, etc?
>>9) R/E's
must be built up and of wood? Same types of construction as
>>wings?
>>10) Is there some kind of Builder
of the model rule? I. E. Can perkins
>>buy his ARF ship
from Hobby lobby?
>>11) Who is going to measure/police
the models?
>>12) What other limitations? No water
ballast??
>>
>>Are you trying to get people to once
again design and build wood planes?
>>
>>Inquiring
minds want to know!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Chris
Adams
>>LSF 348 LvL 5
(#8)
>>
>>
>>>From:
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>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin
Webb), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Webb),
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Tickle), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed
Solenberger),
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Skerjerseth),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (SVSS
>>>Membership),
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>>>(Ron Locke), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill & Pattie
Kenney),
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>>>Subject: Re:
Visalia
>>>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:24:49
+0000
>>>
>>>Hi sailplane
flyers,
>>>The entry form for the 2006 Visalia Fall Soaring
Festival is posted on
>>>their website.
cvrcsoaring.com
>>>boogitty, boogitty, boogitty--let's go
soaring
boys!!
>>
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