>Has anyone ever timed Joe's vertical punch >with a stopwatch? I timed the climbs shown on the infamous John Roe DS video tape. On those flights shown, WITH MINIMAL WIND, I believe the longest was 5.3 seconds (if memory serves). 5 seconds vertical on SINGLE DIGIT wind. Yeowza!! The DS phenomenon is unbelievable. Apparently it's common for Joe to reach what he himself calls "Scary speed". Scary! To Joe!! Unbelievable. I've heard rumors of some possible speed record attempts using DS. Along with some other hush, hush "secret" projects. When will the cat be let out of the bag? Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pleasanton, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]