Try the site listed below. I have one and it is a blast in light lift. I believe that he now produces one in EPP, so that should be right up your alley. We have about 10-15 of them at our slope and we have mini combat sessions with them when it is too light for the combat wings. Built in in one pc. instead of two, unless you plan on traveling with it. http://www.blarg.net/~awagner/red_herring.html Vince D In a message dated 99-12-06 13:10:41 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Now I need something to fly in lighter lift but will be as durable. Any > suggestions? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]