All this whinning on the list helped me decide to share my SUCCESS stories with you folks. Mostly in the hopes of hearing other people's success stories and forestall yet another gripe fest. I started flying gliders (Gentle Lady & GP Spirit 100) about 5 years ago when I was in college. I went to the field, asked the standard newbie questions, too the suggestions and showed up with a glistening GL ready to learn. Those folks in VA taught me how to fly, how to search for thermals, etc. and I had a blast. I built up a Spirit 100, had a blast with that, and then finally a Skeeter HL (which I really enjoyed, though it took some serious modification). Well, my wife had our baby so I put everything away and did not return to flying until about 6 months ago when I saw those same folks who taught me to fly on a trip to VA. Man, did things change over the years! Foamies, cheaper radio gear and the evolution of electric power (evolution=leaps in tech). I built a Spirit 2M (much better builder now) and flew it three times. Bought a Zagi EPP to try my hand at slope, and summarily sold all my thermal stuff. Bought another slope wing (boomerang) and a DAW Ki61. I have since been having a blast on the slope flying combat....45+ minute flights are much more enjoyable for me than launching, landing, etc. I started recently trying my hands at electrics. These things are really a blast when you cannot get to the slope. I have a Zagi 400 (heavily modified power system now), Twinstar (waiting for my TX to return from the doctor), Twister (much too fast for me yet), and my most recent build, an Ace Simple Series Speed 400 sport plane. This thing is a ROCKIN plane for 30 bux. If you want more info on this plane, check out my review of it on Ezone here in about a week. Anyway, the short end of it is I have had nothing but good experiences, met a lot of great people and learned quite a bit, while still keeping grounded in the reality that these things are just toys to play with. Regardless of how much they cost (from a $30 electric to a $2,000 glass slipper) its still just playing with toys. BTW, thanks to everyone on the list who provided me with endless advice for my questions over the past 6 months. Greg RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]