Tony, I have seen the Patton Spitfire fly but it did not work all that well. Now before making judgement on the plane I think it was a building problem ie incidence or something not the planes fault. Could also have been since Gordy was at the sticks. :) I have one of the P63 King Cobras from Patton and it is a real rock and roll machine that looks like it would be quite fun on the end of a big bungy. My P63 flew great right off the board. Only change I made was to turn down the ailerons on dual rates for racing and left them alone for combat. The kit is a quite an easy build, this from a guy who was building just his second foamie. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]