Thanks a lot,

I got the cable and worked right.



Jed Clear wrote:
> On Fri Jun  5  9:55 , Cesar Bonilla  sent:
>   
>> Jed Clear escribió:
>>     
>>>  On Thu Jun  4 10:58 , Cesar Bonilla <cesar.boni...@hyettemail.com> sent:
>>>       
>>>>    I have a Net5501 with a USB Memory. I connect to Console port but I
>>>> can't see anything!
>>>>
>>>>         
> [snip]
>   
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>> Are you using a null modem cable (pins 2 and 3 crossed)?  
>>>
>>> Also it might be worth giving 9600 a shot, in case it's not quite factory 
>>> fresh.
>>>       
>> I found many diferent types of cable:
>>     
>
> Most of these will work in many cases.  
>
>   
>> Null modem without handshaking
>> 2 - 3
>> 3 - 2
>> 5 - 5
>>     
>
> The first one is the bare minimum (Tx, Rx, Ground) with the key feature of the
> pin 2-3 crosses. This works if both devices ignore their hardware flow control
> inputs, which is often the default.  For 9600 and 19200, you can generally get
> away w/o flow control.
>
>   
>> Null modem with loop back handshaking
>> 2 - 3    
>> 3 - 2    
>> 5 - 5   
>> 1 + 4 + 6 - NONE  
>> NONE - 1 + 4 + 6   
>> 7 + 8 - NONE  
>> NONE - 7 + 8   
>>     
>
> This one should work, but the local loopbacks only "cheat" the hardware
> handshaking and provide no flow control.  You could get overrun errors at the
> upper speeds (e.g. 115,200).
>
>   
>> Null modem with partial handshaking
>> 1 - 7 + 8    
>> 2 - 3    
>> 3 - 2    
>> 4 - 6    
>> 5 - 5    
>> 6 - 4    
>> 7 + 8 - 1   
>>     
>
> I'm very suspicious of this one.  Generally you want DCD (1) to be driven by 
> DTR
> (4), not RTS (7), if at all.  Who ever came up with this probably had hardware
> flow control disabled anyway.
>
>   
>> Null modem with full handshaking 
>> 2 - 3    
>> 3 - 2    
>> 4 - 6    
>> 5 - 5    
>> 6 - 4   
>> 7 - 8    
>> 8 - 7  
>>     
>
> This should work the best for most cases.
>
>   
>> I'm confusing. Can you say me what pins connect to other side?
>>     
>
> Welcome to the confusing world of cheating on the RS-232 "standard".  The
> standard was designed to let data terminal equipment (DTE), such as a dumb
> terminal or server (and now a PC), talk to data communications equipment (DCE,
> i.e. a modem).  Almost immediately people began using the RS-232 ports on two
> pieces of DTE to direct connect without modems.  So they had to figure out 
> how to
> get around the handshaking designed to talk to a modem.  Since many ways will
> work in various cases, you get many solutions.  
>
> If you're the curious type, and want to fully grok what's going on, you can 
> find
> out more starting here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_control and here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS_232#Conventions.  If you just want to build a
> cable and move on, go with the last configuration.
>
> However, my personal favorite is:
> 2 - 3    
> 3 - 2    
> 5 - 5   
> 4 - 6 + 1 
> 6 + 1 - 4  
> 7 - 8  
> 8 - 7   
>
> But in practice I haven't picked up a soldering iron in ages.  I just keep 
> around
> a handful of DE9 gender bender and null modem inserts.
>
> -Jed, Grey Beard Hardware Engineer
>
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