Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Alan Barrett
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing it where no concensus was reached? This sort of thing where commis occur before a discussion is finished seems to

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread haad
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Alan Barrett a...@cequrux.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing it where no concensus was reached?  This sort

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:31:27AM +0200, Alan Barrett wrote: I don't care much about /usr/share/misc/operator, but I do care about people making changes without discussion, or making changes with too little discussion, or making changes that go against the consensus of the discussion. For

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:15AM +0100, haad wrote: Truly I haven't seen any discussion which had more than 10mails where clear consensus was made. Thats not going to happen. It is possible and it has happened. IMHO it clearly depends on the quality of the original proposal/question. In this

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:20:40PM +0200, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: Being naive as I am, I believe a software project can adopt healthier and more productive software engineering practices. If you want to change established procedures, change them first. Do not explicitly violate them and hope for

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Warner Losh
On 01/19/2011 03:13, haad wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Alan Barretta...@cequrux.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing it where no

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread David Holland
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:15AM +0100, haad wrote: We need some proper way how to evaluate changes, discussion about them is clearly not good way. Because most of best developers are not talking in those never ending mail threads. In practice most active never ending mail writers

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:16:41PM +, David Holland wrote: The most important lesson to learn in software is that it's ok to be wrong and that when you are wrong, the sooner someone notices the better. We all make mistakes; we all make lots of mistakes, all the time. (Writing this post was