Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:16:41PM +, David Holland wrote: > The most important lesson to learn in software is that it's ok to be > wrong and that when you are wrong, the sooner someone notices the > better. We all make mistakes; we all make lots of mistakes, all the > time. (Writing this post

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread David Holland
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:15AM +0100, haad wrote: > We need some proper way how to evaluate changes, discussion about them > is clearly not good way. Because most of best developers are not > talking in those never ending mail threads. In practice most active > never ending mail writers co

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Warner Losh
On 01/19/2011 03:13, haad wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing it where no concensus was reac

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:20:40PM +0200, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: > Being naive as I am, I believe a software project can adopt healthier and > more productive "software engineering" practices. If you want to change established procedures, change them first. Do not explicitly violate them and hope f

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:15AM +0100, haad wrote: > Truly I haven't seen any discussion which had more than 10mails where > clear consensus was made. Thats not going to happen. It is possible and it has happened. IMHO it clearly depends on the quality of the original proposal/question. In thi

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:31:27AM +0200, Alan Barrett wrote: > I don't care much about /usr/share/misc/operator, but I do care about > people making changes without discussion, or making changes with too > little discussion, or making changes that go against the consensus of > the discussion. For

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread haad
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: >> > Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing >> > it where no concensus was reached?  This sort of thin