[SAtalk] AWL adjustment flags SA-talk email as spam

2002-05-30 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
I was surprised to see that the "AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment" rule added 31.1 (thirty-one point one!) to the score of the following email from this very list server. That was easily enough to mis-flag it as spam. I'd appreciate it if someone would explain how an AWL adjustment is supposed

Re: [SAtalk] Why aren't ALL scores genetically evolved?

2002-05-30 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Good point. I hadn't considered the transient nature of blacklists. Having said that, it seems to me that the content of spam also changes over time, yet the GA seems to cope with that. Perhaps it's just a matter of degree If the content spam is consistent _enough_ to permit GA scoring,

Re: [SAtalk] large numbers of tiny scores = SPAM!

2002-05-30 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
On Thu:10:01, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Kingsley G. Morse Jr. wrote: > > Good point. Combinations of some rules may be more > > indicative of spam than others. > > > > It would be great if the GA could infer the boolean > > logic, as well as the scores. > >

Re: [SAtalk] Why aren't ALL scores genetically evolved?

2002-05-29 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
How about sampling the network checks, so that instead of 400,000, only doing, say 500? It seems to me that sampling a few hundred network checks would arrive at a better score for them than hand coding. My two cents, Kingsley Skip Montanaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed:17:57, Craig R Hug

Re: [SAtalk] large numbers of tiny scores = SPAM!

2002-05-29 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Good point. Combinations of some rules may be more indicative of spam than others. It would be great if the GA could infer the boolean logic, as well as the scores. Thanks, Kingsley On Wed:20:45, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2002 the voices made Kingsley G. Morse Jr. wr

Re: [SAtalk] large numbers of tiny scores = SPAM!

2002-05-29 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
On Wed:11:43, Rob Winters wrote: [...] > SA does not give any credit to the cumulative effect [...] It seems to me that properly weighted scores would avoid this problem. I'd like to think that a good optimization algorithm, such as a genetic algorithm, could do the job. Thanks, Kingsley __

[SAtalk] DCC and razor doc (Was: Why aren't ALL scores genetically evolved?)

2002-05-28 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Hi Craig, Thanks for explaining why some scores aren't evolved. I'm an old GA and optimization programmer, so I naturally find SA's use of a GA pretty interesting. You suggested using all network tests. I've installed razor and made sure spamassassin isn't called with the -L option. However,

[SAtalk] Why aren't ALL scores genetically evolved?

2002-05-24 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
I installed SA 2.20 a few days ago and it's mis-categorizing more emails than I'd like. I'll *guess* that it's missing 10% of spams and mislabelling 1% of my legitimate email as spam. The obvious explanation is that I'm doing something wrong, like not using razor or spamd. However, I noticed th

Re: [SAtalk] date difference testing

2002-05-21 Thread Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Daniel, Being an old AI/GA programmer who just started using SA, your post fascinates me. Thanks for the update on your research. On Mon:22:07, Daniel Quinlan wrote: [...] > My only gripe is that having so many rules is somewhat clumsy in the > scores file, even using arguments. What if spamass