Hello Rick,
Thursday, July 3, 2003, 12:58:49 PM, you wrote:
RB> Don Krause wrote:
>> How can "PENIS" be offensive? It's a medically correct term.
>>
>> Just offer to turn off SA for those who are so easily offended. I'm sure
>> they'd prefer PENIS to the content of the actual mail.
RB> Yes,
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Rick Beebe wrote on Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:58:49 -0400:
>
> > They were legitimate email messages which, for whatever
> > reason, failed the PENIS_ENLARGE test.
>
> Simple solution: if that is true, submit it as a bug.
That doesn't necessarily help. See
Rick Beebe wrote on Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:58:49 -0400:
> They were legitimate email messages which, for whatever
> reason, failed the PENIS_ENLARGE test.
>
Simple solution: if that is true, submit it as a bug. This should not
happen.
Kai
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Don Krause wrote:
How can "PENIS" be offensive? It's a medically correct term.
Just offer to turn off SA for those who are so easily offended. I'm sure
they'd prefer PENIS to the content of the actual mail.
Yes, it's medically correct. In all the cases where someone complained,
however, there wa
Satya wrote:
On Jun 30, 2003 at 19:41, Tony Earnshaw wrote:
My own doubt would be: where does political correctness end? E.g., when
is some Jewish or Muslim user going to object to ham being called ham
and spam (non-ham) being called spam (non-ham)? Would their objection be
valid, because an i
On Jun 30, 2003 at 19:41, Tony Earnshaw wrote:
>My own doubt would be: where does political correctness end? E.g., when
>is some Jewish or Muslim user going to object to ham being called ham
>and spam (non-ham) being called spam (non-ham)? Would their objection be
>valid, because an incompetent CE
Matt Kettler wrote:
A dsjenwine problem.
A what? Is this supposed to be the dutch spelling of genuine, not
present anywhere within the visibility of even goggle?
Do you know, I never ever recall my mother once ever saying the word
"penis?" Never once. I wonder why. Perhaps that altered my conce
At 07:41 PM 6/30/2003 +0200, Tony Earnshaw wrote:
A dsjenwine problem.
A what? Is this supposed to be the dutch spelling of genuine, not present
anywhere within the visibility of even google?
:)
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At Mon Jun 30 16:41:56 2003, Bob Apthorpe wrote:
> IIRC, rule names are arbitrary[1] and apparently a global
> search-and-replace fixes this problem for those sites that see it as a
> problem. It should be easy but tedious to (eventually) change the code
> to use optional less vivid rule names. Pr
Bob Apthorpe wrote:
Insulting admins because we think little of the their users is
counterproductive; chances are, they probably don't need a reminder of
how unreasonable their user base is. Still, it's the population they're
paid to serve and protect, so why not put the insults on hold if you
can
Hi,
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:17:42 +0100 "Darren Coleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chr. von Stuckrad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 29 June 2003 11:37
> > To: SpamAssassin-talk
> > Subject: Re: [SAtalk]
sassin - simple. I'm sure after receiving HTML emails with
fellatio images day in day out they'll get some perspective.
Just my £0.02p UKP
Daz
> -Original Message-
> From: Chr. von Stuckrad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 June 2003 11:37
> To: SpamAssassin-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think the problem is with the rule name itself -- which is not
> translated.
I have a hard time with "PC" complainers. I give them 2 choices. Use the
spam filtering feature the way it is or do not use spam filtering. If they
dont want filtering I set their user_prefs
Adam Lopresto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Somehow that seems really complex.
I don't think my proposal would be very hard to implement. But I
have not verified this.
> Perhaps there could be an option not to display the rule names at
> all, just the descriptions, which can easily be overridden
Abigail Marshall writes:
>It seems to me that SA comes with language options that will
>print test descriptions in languages other than English,
>i.e., you can opt to have the test that is giving offense
>here described as "Spiega come aumentare le dimensi
>oni del proprio pene" - I would assume b
It seems to me that SA comes with language options that will
print test descriptions in languages other than English,
i.e., you can opt to have the test that is giving offense
here described as "Spiega come aumentare le dimensi
oni del proprio pene" - I would assume by choosing
appropriate language
And it seems that the provider (a
University?) either didn't explain what's going on or didn't get thru to
them, so he forwarded the request to this list instead of wondering if this
is really something worthwhile and productive to ask for. I guess it would
make a could starter for a discussi
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 11:36, Chr. von Stuckrad wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 04:29:37PM -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote:
> > That's exactly what I was concerned about, Tony: Where does it stop?
>
> The real poblem will be: 'it never stops'. As long as people do
> react irrationally on ration
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 23:41, Ernest W. Lessenger wrote:
> At 03:14 PM 6/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
> > > PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
> >
> >Your company could always ask for a refund...
>
Somehow that seems really complex. Perhaps there could be an option not to
display the rule names at all, just the descriptions, which can easily be
overridden in local.cf. That way users aren't bothered with the technical
stuff at all, and you can get it to display whatever you want. (This is w
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 04:29:37PM -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote:
> That's exactly what I was concerned about, Tony: Where does it stop?
The real poblem will be: 'it never stops'. As long as people do
react irrationally on rational Questions and as long as the
'what I avoid to see can't anger
Benjamin A. Shelton wrote on Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:29:37 -0600:
> Personally, I have a real problem with someone complaining about *free*
> software, but from my experience, those who pay the least tend to
> complain the loudest.
It's not complaints about free software, it's complaints about a se
Tony Earnshaw wrote:
Agreed utterly. The question is where to draw the limit. Rick Beebe's
org. could soon well be recruiting Muslim and Jewish users who object
to "ham" and "non-ham" ("spam" is definable, could be "chicken", but
"ham" is "pork".)
That's exactly what I was concerned about, T
Personally, I think BANG_OPRAH is the most disturbing test name. What a
horrible thought.
rOD.
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At Fri Jun 27 23:52:58 2003, Yorkshire Dave wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 21:39, Rick Beebe wrote:
> > I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
> > PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
> > some people find it offensive to see it in thei
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Why does everyone always have to get so combative. If changing the rule names
a little to avoid offending the easily offended, it does no harm. It is the
same rule after all. What it is called is of no real consequence.
You are right and you are not right. One shouldn't be
Robin Lynn Frank wrote on Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:25:20 -0700:
> Why does everyone always have to get so combative. If changing the rule names
> a little to avoid offending the easily offended, it does no harm. It is the
> same rule after all. What it is called is of no real consequence.
>
You a
Bob Proulx wrote on Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:40:35 -0600:
> As a last option, you could post filter all mail and do a regular
> expression change for the naughty word rules to change them to your
> choice of report names. Being a post processor of the mail you would
> not need to modify SA at all and
Matthew Cline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We could add a regexp-type config option for renaming rules and
> descriptions:
>
> rename penis member
> rename breasts mamaries
Something along these lines could be included in existing SA
configuration files without breaking them:
header BIG_BOOB
Rick Beebe wrote:
> I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
> PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
> some people find it offensive to see it in their email.
I think almost everyone who responded missed the real problem here.
And quite fra
Matthew Cline wrote:
Much simpler would be a censor directive:
censor penis
censor breasts
Which would give you:
CENSORED (2.5 points): This rule has been censored
And then you'll have people calling and yelling at you because you have
CENSORED their email.
-ste
Hnnn We could add a regexp-type config option for renaming rules and
descriptions:
rename penis member
rename breasts mamaries
So you'd end up with:
MEMBER_ENLARGE : Information on getting a larger member or mamaries
Much simpler would be a censor directive:
ce
Ernest W. Lessenger wrote:
I think Rick has a valid request... I run the mail server at an ISP,
and customers do get upset over the most trivial things. When they do,
_I_ cannot mouth off and suggest that they "ask for a refund." It
seems reasonable to avoid using "offensive" labels, if only to
Why does everyone always have to get so combative. If changing the rule names
a little to avoid offending the easily offended, it does no harm. It is the
same rule after all. What it is called is of no real consequence.
This is because not everyone is offended by the same thing. What doe
On Friday 27 June 2003 06:07 pm, Satya wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2003 at 15:41, Ernest W. Lessenger wrote:
> >reasonable to avoid using "offensive" labels, if only to avoid getting
> >yelled at by "little old ladies" (closely related to the "overworked
> >mother" and the "drill sergeant with two 8yr old
On Jun 27, 2003 at 15:41, Ernest W. Lessenger wrote:
>reasonable to avoid using "offensive" labels, if only to avoid getting
>yelled at by "little old ladies" (closely related to the "overworked
>mother" and the "drill sergeant with two 8yr old children who just saw the
>word 'penis" in an email")
On Friday 27 June 2003 04:57 pm, Alan Leghart wrote:
> Nothing medical about the pills, pumps, or creams.
>
> HOMEOPATHIC_ENHANCEMENT would be more P.C.
>
> But then, you will find some person who is homeo-phobic and bristles at the
> very sound of anything homeo-related. :)
>
> It never ends.
>
N
Nothing medical about the pills, pumps, or creams.
HOMEOPATHIC_ENHANCEMENT would be more P.C.
But then, you will find some person who is homeo-phobic and bristles at the
very sound of anything homeo-related. :)
It never ends.
- Alan
--On Friday, June 27, 2003 4:27 PM -0700 Don Krause <[EMAIL
How can "PENIS" be offensive? It's a medically correct term.
Just offer to turn off SA for those who are so easily offended. I'm sure
they'd prefer PENIS to the content of the actual mail.
Then again, you could always rename it "STRETCHING YOUR TALYWACKER"
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 15:41, Ernest W.
At 03:14 PM 6/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
> PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
Your company could always ask for a refund...
I think Rick has a valid request... I run the mail server at an ISP, and
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 21:39, Rick Beebe wrote:
> I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
> PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
> some people find it offensive to see it in their email.
So how do they feel about rules called EJACULATION,
On Friday 27 June 2003 02:24 pm, Bernard Robbins wrote:
> That would really suck to be in that position with the retarded
> extremists but... my two cents... I would ask them if they would rather
> see penis or the many slang terms out there? Penis is the correct term
> for the male reproductive or
That would really suck to be in that position with the retarded
extremists but... my two cents... I would ask them if they would rather
see penis or the many slang terms out there? Penis is the correct term
for the male reproductive organ. What you would be doing is creating a
new slang term by
> I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
> PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
Your company could always ask for a refund...
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I'd like to appeal to the SA collective to change the name of the
PENIS_ENLARGE tests to something a little more innocuous. Apparently
some people find it offensive to see it in their email. I've received
the odd complaint about the test name--usually when it shows up in a
message that isn't ab
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