Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-30 Thread Matija Šuklje
Die 30. 03. 16 et hora 11.12.46 Sam Ellis scripsit: > “You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or intended > for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any > nuclear facility.”. FWIW, this would most probably fail the freedom 0 of the Free Software defin

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-30 Thread Philip Odence
te: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 7:22 AM To: "spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org<mailto:spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org>" mailto:spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org>> Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear Die 30. 03. 16 et hora 11.12.46 Sam Ellis scripsit: “You acknowledge th

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-30 Thread Wheeler, David A
Die 30. 03. 16 et hora 11.12.46 Sam Ellis quoted this “NoNuclear” license: > “You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or intended > for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear > facility.”. Matija: > FWIW, this would most probably fail the fre

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-30 Thread Paul Madick (AM)
Great discussion. Comments below. Paul Die 30. 03. 16 et hora 11.12.46 Sam Ellis quoted this “NoNuclear” license: > “You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or intended > for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear > facility.”. Matija: >

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Sam Ellis wrote: > Please consider adding the following license to the SPDX license list: > Full name: BSD 3-clause w/nuclear disclaimer > > Short identifier: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear > > URL: http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/licenses/bsd.txt > > OSI approved:

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Philip Odence
pdx.org>> Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Sam Ellis mailto:sam.el...@arm.com>> wrote: Please consider adding the following license to the SPDX license list: Full name: BSD 3-clause w/nuclear disclaimer Short

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread dmg
e > Ombredanne > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:12 AM > To: Sam Ellis > Cc: "spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org" > Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Sam Ellis wrote: > > Please consider adding the

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Tom Incorvia
:44 AM To: Philip Odence Cc: spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear Well, 1. this is not a common license, 2. As David W already stated, it clearly breaks the objective of SPDX (see: https://spdx.org/licenses/ "The SPDX License List i

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread dmg
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Tom Incorvia wrote: > I see this license all the time. Let’s put it on the list. What about we start with some empirical evidence, rather than anecdotal. Can you quantify what "all the time" means? --dmg -- --dmg --- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Tom Incorvia wrote: > I see this license all the time. Let’s put it on the list. Agreed for me: this should be in either as a license or an exception > There are many licenses on the SPDX list that do not strictly meet the FOSS > rules – if we restrict to pure

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread dmg
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Philippe Ombredanne wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Tom Incorvia > wrote: > > I see this license all the time. Let’s put it on the list. > > Agreed for me: this should be in either as a license or an exception > I think the idea of using exceptions f

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:07 PM, dmg wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Tom Incorvia > wrote: >> I see this license all the time. Let’s put it on the list. > > What about we start with some empirical evidence, rather than anecdotal. > Can you quantify what "all the time" means? How abo

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Wheeler, David A
> [1] https://www.google.com/search?q="intended for use in the design%2C > construction%2Coperation or maintenance of any nuclear facility" That's a completely different legal text. I agree that "not intended for use in the design, construction, operation, or maintenance of any nuclear facility

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Tom Vidal
Good morning: I concur with Phil Odence and David Wheeler on the ground that the language "at issue" is an operative license term governing --and in this case restricting--conduct, not simply disclaiming a warranty. As such, it violates Freedom 0 as Matija initially pointed out. Here is the se

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Eric Weddington
gal-boun...@lists.spdx.org [mailto:spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org] On Behalf Of Tom Vidal Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:02 AM To: Wheeler, David A Cc: spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear So, should we add it or not? I can appreci

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Brad Edmondson
should never aim to be. Change > the website language to read “commonly found licenses, including open > source”. > > > > I very much appreciate the “wider tent” that SPDX is aiming for. > > > > Eric Weddington > > > > *From:* spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org [mailt

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Paul Madick (AM)
I again want to thank everyone for the thoughtful discourse on this subject matter. This will be put on the legal team agenda to discuss on one of our upcoming meetings and we will “hear” all of the opinions that have been represented in the thread, including the point regarding the CC licenses

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-03-31 Thread Tom Incorvia
un...@lists.spdx.org<mailto:spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org> [mailto:spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org<mailto:spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org>] On Behalf Of Tom Vidal Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:02 AM To: Wheeler, David A Cc: spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org<mailto:spdx-legal@lists.s

RE: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-04-01 Thread Wheeler, David A
Eric Weddington [mailto:eric_wedding...@trimble.com]: > Where SPDX is at now, is that it says one thing, but does another. > Yes, the website says that the SPDX License List is a list of "commonly found > open source licenses".  But if we're going to talk about restriction use then > it's too lat

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-04-11 Thread D M German
Philippe Ombredanne twisted the bytes to say: Philippe> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:07 PM, dmg wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Tom Incorvia >> wrote: >>> I see this license all the time. Let’s put it on the list. >> >> What about we start with some empirical evidence, rat

Re: New License/Exception Request: BSD-3-Clause-NoNuclear

2016-04-13 Thread D M German
Philippe Ombredanne twisted the bytes to say: Philippe> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:07 PM, dmg wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Tom Incorvia >> wrote: >>> I see this license all the time. Let’s put it on the list. >> >> What about we start with some empirical evidence, rat